Oilers culture issues

[syz]

Success grows from mistakes…
The Oilers applied a very short leash on both Broberg and Holloway…

They didn't have a short leash, they had a GM who was notorious for leaving prospects in the minors longer than necessary. And it appears that process was a success, despite the players' protests.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

They were one goal away from a Cup last year and are a contender again this year, it could be a lot worse

Means squat.

Like Dan Campbell of the Detroit Lions said, they very well may never get back there.

They hurt their chances with the moves and lack of ones they made.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Thank you for the reverse jinx thread. 7-1 right now

 

[Oilslick941611]

The defense is fine. Walman has been a great addition and is exactly what the team needed. A top 4 of Nurse Ekholm Walman and Bouchard is absolutely good enough to win the Cup. Edmonton's defensive structure since Knob/Coffey has been one of the teams' strengths, not weaknesses.

Goaltending? Yeah, I mean every single Oiler fan in the World knows it all rides on goaltending. Edmonton is 32-6 when they get .900+%. That is literally league average. But to think there are "culture issues" and this team still isn't good enough to go on a run is foolish. Too much parity in the NHL nowadays, if the Oilers are being dissected like this why aren't we doing it for every other team in the league that has the same amount of points?

So when Edmonton was on a tear before 4 Nations and Colorado was struggling they were a poorly run team right? 2 generational stars and nothing to show for it since the Cup run? But now that they've gone on a run and the Oilers have struggled, this team has "culture issues" and isnt a threat while Colorado is a juggernaut again? Lmao.

dont forget Vegas sucked for a month before the 4 nations tournament as well. poorly run organization too right? they blew a 10 point lead on the division.

 

[Leafs87]

Will depend on how McDavid does when he leaves

 

[hangman005]

I don't think it's a lack of culture.. I think it is idiotic management. Chia to Holland to Bowman is just a brutal stretch while, at the same time, having some real nice talent. The hard part was done and they just needed to fill in the roster around some very elite players.

Instead they just playing McDrai and hope they can carry a lacklustre roster to a Cup. Amazingly, it almost worked.lol

I don't know, not one opera house in the oilers changing room, or practice facilities

 

[LTIR]

Thanks for the thread. Oilers needed it.

2pts out of div lead

 

[Oilslick941611]

I don't know, not one opera house in the oilers changing room, or practice facilities

but its too late to switch to a science victory.

 

[Summer Rose]

but its too late to switch to a science victory.

Just go for a domination victory and pretend all your playoff opponents are Utah.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I don't know, not one opera house in the oilers changing room, or practice facilities

...McJesus highlights are a bit of an Art Gallery, though...

 

[hangman005]

...McJesus highlights are a bit of an Art Gallery, though...

Yeah but painting them over that lost Van Gough

 

[Summer Rose]

Yeah but painting them over that lost Van Gough

I have no Monet to buy Degas in order to make my Van Gogh.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I have no Monet to buy Degas in order to make my Van Gogh.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Odd thread

 

[Mr Kot]

I suppose OP's thesis accounts for the players who joined Oilers and succeeded in order to create a controlled environment?

 

[Jumptheshark]

The Edmonton Oilers GMs with McDavid in the organization have been: Chiarelli > K. Gretzky (interm for 1/2 a season) > Holland > Bowman

Which of those have been related to McDavid in some capacity?

Anyways, on the topic of the op. This isn't a culture issue for the Oilers. This is a combo of poor development, poor professional scouting and a case of players going from less opportunity on a good team to more opportunity on ones that aren't as good.

Foegele had 41 points last year and is on pace for 46 this year.
McLeod had 30 as a 3C on a good team last year to on pace for ~48 as a 2C on a garbage team.
Broberg couldn't crack a left side that had Ekholm, Nurse and Kulak.

Holloway is the big loss. Crazy the Oilers didn't match that offer sheet after the playoffs he had. The rest meh. Not really missed. McLeod is a good player who I liked. And I'd gladly take him back as our 3C this season. But the team also needed an injection into their prospect pool and Savoie has had a fantastic first pro season in the AHL.

We were over due to an oiler bashing thread. We had two that could be viewed as a leaf bashing so we knew this coming

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Thanks for the thread. Oilers needed it.

2pts out of div lead

Hillarious.

Chest thumping over almost leading their division.

This is a team labeled as a Cup Favorite.

Maybe wait til then to bump it.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Loosing Holloway and Broberg is a "front office" issue, which is much more the real problem
The team is there to play, but I feel like they are simply lacking in depth all around, and stability between the pipes
I feel like a better GM could help them

 

[LTIR]

Hillarious.

Chest thumping over almost leading their division.

This is a team labeled as a Cup Favorite.

Maybe wait til then to bump it.

This team did nothing at the deadline to be labeled as a cup favorite. Everyone on media has Panthers, Avs and Stars as cup favs now.
Oilers were cutting close to wildcard zone not long ago with talks to firing the coach, having no top 6 Dman or a starting goalie. This thread was started with a similar theme.
Winning the division after literally being the worst team the past 15 games would certainly be chest thump worthy.

 

[LTIR]

Loosing Holloway and Broberg is a "front office" issue, which is much more the real problem
The team is there to play, but I feel like they are simply lacking in depth all around, and stability between the pipes
I feel like a better GM could help them

I think the OP is about a week too late with this thread.
As for depth, Emberson and Klingberg are sitting out tonight. Frederic and Kane should be joining the team in playoffs to help with it.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think the OP is about a week too late with this thread.
As for depth, Emberson and Klingberg are sitting out tonight. Frederic and Kane should be joining the team in playoffs to help with it.

Take a look at his posting history and you will figure something out

 

[MessierII]

Culture looked pretty good tonight

 

[daver]

Sid and Geno only won a cup together before Matt Murray and Kessel came along showing that even the best two players in the game can only do so much together and they had Letang/MAF to help them before that.

Forget to mention that they got almost as close to the Cup in '08 as the Oil did against a much superior opponent.

The Pens supporting cast in 2009 was worse than the Oilers supporting cast in the last three playoffs.

In 2009, MAF had a better sv% than Skinner but a worse GAA and no Pickard to come in if needed.

Bouchard >> a young Letang getting 3rd pairing TOI.

 

[sbhnur]

We were over due for an oiler bashing thread.

Oilers missed judged how badly Broberg wanted out and after signing guys like Arvedsson, Skinner and a few others? They had no money of Halloway.

Both Foegele and McLeod were victims of the cap.

This has more to do with poor management decisions then what goes on in the dressing room

Absolutely correct.

All of these players showed signs of their breaking out potential. They just needed the time to develop. Oilers couldn't provide the necessary time to grow because they heavily stuck in cap space problems due to catastrophic management issues. They're always looking for cheap solutions as long as they can go for a run.

Darnell Nurse says hello.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

What do Broberg, Holloway, McLeod and Foegele have in common? They all left the Oilers after last season and took a step forward this season.

The Oilers over-reliance on Draisaitl and McDavid is a big issue in my view. In tight games they often play 24+ minutes. I understand that they are in win now mode but it is important to have young players on cheap contracts that chip in and can take on bigger roles as they develope in good organizations.

A lack of positive mistake culture for young players and a fanbase that is apparently lacking to appreciate some players by just seeing the bad… when I read comments about Bouchard I am seriously puzzled.

It was no secret that Holloway was talented but he never got a fair extended chance to play in the top six. The coaching staff only realized in the playoffs that it may be wiser to play Broberg over Desharnais.

To top it off mgt also didn‘t value those players and prioritized to sign older players in Arvy and Skinner which falls in line of a culmination of mistakes in prior seasons (Nurse, Campbell, Lucic contracts, Hall trade, etc)

Foegele played far better for the Oilers than he did for the hurricanes and is only barely gonna beat his career high in points set on the oukers last year. Seems poor example.

Im not sure how broberg sitting for desharnis is an overreliance on mcdavid and draisaitl. Also if broberg wasnt offer sheeted he was gonna play a big role in their defense this year.

Mcleod is a little better than he was with oilers but its not that much that warrents criticizing kilers and just normal progression.

Holloway looked like he was starting to progress in the playoffs fornthe oilers and was likely going to evolve into his role with blues with the oilers after that playoffs if he wasnt offer sheeted.

They made a mistake not offersheeting holloway and mistake with their development on broberg, but actually blaming broberg on mcdavid and draisaitl is pure lunacy and shows you are just wanting to find a new way to bash the players.