Oilers culture issues

[1989]

If there’s ever a team this season that had culture issues, wouldn’t that be the Canucks?

The entire JT Miller and Pettersson drama they had going on. Their management and PR wasn’t even hiding it either.

Weird thread and the timing is kinda baffling considering where the Oilers are in the standings.

In the world of dubious gossip, all of that is ancient history and irrelevant to today's new hottest topic - "McDavid's Playoff Beard Follicle/60 density is too low to captain Edmonton to a Cup."

Try to keep up, it's embarassing.

 

[Spawn]

46 points on the LA Kings is approximately 134 points on another team, though.

Somebody forgot to tell Arvidsson that lol

 

[Bouboumaster]

Honestly, what the Oilers would need is a guy like Marc Bergevin

Just don't make him the GM. Or even an assistant GM. Just a consultant of some sort.

Bergevin can't draft for shit and he can't do contracts without getting bambouzzled but the one talent he has, is that he can identify and pick up really solid depth players, which the lack of it is, IMO, the main weakness of the Oilers

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

In the world of dubious gossip, all of that is ancient history and irrelevant to today's new hottest topic - "McDavid's Playoff Beard Follicle/60 density is too low to captain Edmonton to a Cup."

Try to keep up, it's embarassing.

But OP seems to think the cup secret sauce is somehow McLeod, Foegele, Broberg, and Holloway. You know the things that winning teams covet… ‘positive mistake culture’…

 

[Czechboy]

Honestly, what the Oilers would need is a guy like Marc Bergevin

Just don't make him the GM. Or even an assistant GM. Just a consultant of some sort.

Bergevin can't draft for shit and he can't do contracts without getting bambouzzled but the one talent he has, is that he can identify and pick up really solid depth players, which the lack of it is, IMO, the main weakness of the Oilers

We simply need better professional scouts. I don't think we draft well either. Looking at Holland's 5 year of drafting.. we don't have many guys at all that seem promising...

Only NHL players in here are gone.. Bro and Hollo. Blumel is leading AHL in scoring but belongs to Dallas (and can't seem to take the next step).

So we draft like shit and we trade for the wrong guys. Our GM's haven't been good.. 3 in a row. I don't think that has anything to do with culture though. Shitty management.

Schaeller returned Ek so that is good! I'm not sure if he is trending to be an NHLer though? That's all I got.lol

 

[edog37]

Sid and Geno only won a cup together before Matt Murray and Kessel came along showing that even the best two players in the game can only do so much together and they had Letang/MAF to help them before that.

Go look at the D/goalies Edmonton has had, atrocious.

Even this year, they should've went all in on Binnington, at the minimum get Gibson who has shown the capacity to be excellent, they do very little.

Ultimately they should've been more aggressive in getting a goalie/1D, totally inexcusable.

Sid is also 10x the leader McOverrated ever could hope to be.

 

[Bouboumaster]

We simply need better professional scouts. I don't think we draft well either. Looking at Holland's 5 year of drafting.. we don't have many guys at all that seem promising...

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Only NHL players in here are gone.. Bro and Hollo. Blumel is leading AHL in scoring but belongs to Dallas (and can't seem to take the next step).

So we draft like shit and we trade for the wrong guys. Our GM's haven't been good.. 3 in a row. I don't think that has anything to do with culture though. Shitty management.

Schaeller returned Ek so that is good! I'm not sure if he is trending to be an NHLer though? That's all I got.lol

This drafting is rough lol

Bergevin wouldn't help with that tho, because he was at least as bad


But he built a reliable bottom 6 in Montréal that held up up until both Weber and Carey Price had to quit due to injuries. After that the Habs were done for

 

[The Panther]

Sid is also 10x the leader McOverrated ever could hope to be.

Awesome post!

You tell 'em, intelligent man!

 

[syz]

Fun fact as well, McDavid vetoed a Foegele trade a couple seasons ago because he wanted him on the team. So idk if you can really parlay him leaving as a free agent into "Oilers letting a player go to keep McDavid happy" or whatever.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Foegele played far better for the Oilers than he did for the hurricanes and is only barely gonna beat his career high in points set on the oukers last year. Seems poor example.

Im not sure how broberg sitting for desharnis is an overreliance on mcdavid and draisaitl. Also if broberg wasnt offer sheeted he was gonna play a big role in their defense this year.

Mcleod is a little better than he was with oilers but its not that much that warrents criticizing kilers and just normal progression.

Holloway looked like he was starting to progress in the playoffs fornthe oilers and was likely going to evolve into his role with blues with the oilers after that playoffs if he wasnt offer sheeted.

They made a mistake not offersheeting holloway and mistake with their development on broberg, but actually blaming broberg on mcdavid and draisaitl is pure lunacy and shows you are just wanting to find a new way to bash the players.

If there’s ever a team this season that had culture issues, wouldn’t that be the Canucks?

The entire JT Miller and Pettersson drama they had going on. Their management and PR wasn’t even hiding it either.

Weird thread and the timing is kinda baffling considering where the Oilers are in the standings.

How were they supposed to hide it? It was being confirmed by former players and coaches and both players were being shopped around the league

You are gonna have to answer for that and that’s what they did.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

This drafting is rough lol

Bergevin wouldn't help with that tho, because he was at least as bad


But he built a reliable bottom 6 in Montréal that held up up until both Weber and Carey Price had to quit due to injuries. After that the Habs were done for

Those 8OA and 14OA picks are ideally the highest Edmonton drafts for the next 7-8 years. To lose them the way they did takes a special, proprietary blend of incompetence and arrogance

 

[Steven Toast]

What a nonsense thread lol, nothing but a few cherry picked players.

What about Hyman? B2B2B career years (with incredible playoff runs too boot) as soon as he came to Edmonton.

Ekholm went from good to elite as soon as joining Edmonton.

Kostin was good on the Oilers, replacement level elsewhere.

 

[Beninnola]

If St. Louis had McDavid and draisaitl they wouldn’t be playing Holloway in a lot of the minutes he is getting. They would be playing McDavid and draisaitl while Holloway’s agent was trying to find him more icetime.

It’s hard to tell a young guy he can’t meet his potential because some other guy is really good. Unfortunately there are trade offs for everything - even the case of having 2 of the best forwards of all time at the same time. Maybe the oilers should have matched but I don’t think the source of this is some failure of ownership - it’s the young players who only gets to go through their career once, perceiving that there aren’t going to be many promotions available, and using what the system provides to reach their potential.

 

[syz]

What a nonsense thread lol, nothing but a few cherry picked players.

What about Hyman? B2B2B career years (with incredible playoff runs too boot) as soon as he came to Edmonton.

Ekholm went from good to elite as soon as joining Edmonton.

Kostin was good on the Oilers, replacement level elsewhere.

Yea pretty sure the Oilers have had more players who have had career years in the McDrai era than the opposite. Pat Maroon scored 27 goals but I guess he would've had 40 if the culture was better.

 

[Sky04]

And they made the finals the year Bouchard was a 80 point D-man and Hyman scored 50 goals.

You are proving the point. The Oilers had more success when their depth improved.

Depth, goaltending and defense all did their jobs in game 7. Mcdavid and Draisaitl failed their team.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

They were one goal away from a Cup last year and are a contender again this year, it could be a lot worse

Two goals. They lost game 7.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

How were they supposed to hide it? It was being confirmed by former players and coaches and both players were being shopped around the league

You are gonna have to answer for that and that’s what they did.

That’s exactly my point.

The Canucks org was very open about airing out the culture issues to the media. It was funny how a lot of Canucks fans thought it was just something created/fabricated by the media to rile them up. Boudreau said the issues stemmed as far back when he was behind the bench.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Depth, goaltending and defense all did their jobs in game 7. Mcdavid and Draisaitl failed their team.

Mcdavid and draisaitl were both playing with broken ribs. Draisaitl with a broken finger as well

 

[Mr Nogatco]

That’s exactly my point.

The Canucks org was very open about airing out the culture issues to the media. It was funny how a lot of Canucks fans thought it was just something created/fabricated by the media to rile them up.

Boudreau said the issues stemmed as far back when he was behind the bench.

Farther actually - he said he was informed of their history when he took the job so it predates him

 

[McShogun99]

What year is this? 2011???

 

[22Brad Park]

Two goals. They lost game 7.

That game winner was soft too.I remember exact same goal Tim Thomas let in vs Canes and Scott Walker in game 7 overtime and it turned out ok for him, so maybe Skinner gets same result.Oilers have easiest path u ask me, with Kings first.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Two goals. They lost game 7.

Oh well excuse me, tear it down

 

[bambamcam4ever]

When you have two players (or one line etc...) that are so dominant you end up playing to the strengths of those players exclusively. You tailor your game plan and style of play only to those players. At practice, other lines are not practicing to their strengths, they are falling in line with the game play of the top two. They then don't develop any identity, they aren't efficient, they don't gel and at the end of the day you don't get the most out of your secondary scoring.

It is the opposite with a balanced team. The coach will develop a style of play that everyone can attain, far less tailored to the elite skill of a couple individuals. The team works on it together at practice, it gets hammered home, it becomes the unitary identity of the team, everyone plays it and buys in.

On the extreme end of the balanced team you have Vegas from '23 or Vancouver from '24. On the extreme end of the former you have Edmonton.

You don't have to though, I find it more likely than not McDavid is demanding to play a certain way. Crosby and even OV were dominant players yet played in a variety of systems. The Oilers have had the same tendencies for McDavid's entire career.

 

[PlayersLtd]

You don't have to though, I find it more likely than not McDavid is demanding to play a certain way. Crosby and even OV were dominant players yet played in a variety of systems. The Oilers have had the same tendencies for McDavid's entire career.

I was going to use Crosby as an example of a star who can adapt to a system (or play within an adaptable system) because he plays a more neutral style of hockey, albeit at an elite level of course. Crosby has been called a 1st line grinder. That style meshes with the rest of the team, doesn't rely on a high octane transition game for example.

Not going to take anything away from your point because you very well might be right. Ovie however you could say that his teams did not quite have the success they should have considering his talent level. But I wouldn't chalk that up to a one dimensional system that his coaches were implementing. So yeah, fair point.

But I do believe it to be true for Edmonton. I havn't seen their practices but it appears to me they have always had a game plan that caters to Draisatl and McD and they can't get any other lines to fit within it, for the most part. And so I'm left believing that they practice what works for the big two and the other lines just run the same drills, for better or worse.

It's more like a football team where an offence is built around the skill set of an elite quarterback / receiver combo and if that fails nobody else is really in the playbook to pick up the slack.

 

[Bank Shot]

Depth, goaltending and defense all did their jobs in game 7. Mcdavid and Draisaitl failed their team.

It's weird. Your profile says you have been a member since 2009, but your message reads like someone who has only been a hockey fan for three months.

How a guy has been a hockey fan for almost 20 years and doesn't know that the game seven heroes are more often than not guys like Ruslan Fedotenko is beyond me.