Everyone that leaves the Penguins "take a step forward too"
Everyone that joins the Pens sees a drop in their game.
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Everyone that joins the Pens sees a drop in their game.
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It's weird. Your profile says you have been a member since 2009, but your message reads like someone who has only been a hockey fan for three months.
How a guy has been a hockey fan for almost 20 years and doesn't know that the game seven heroes are more often than not guys like Ruslan Fedotenko is beyond me.
Game seven heroes, eh? Justin Williams has entered the chat.
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Frantisek Kaberle once did this to my beloved Oilers in Game 7. Such a mixed feeling as I loved Kaberle but really hated him that day.lolGame seven heroes, eh? Justin Williams has entered the chat.
On a fun note.. everyone talks about Tomas but his brother won so much gold and a cup! His resume is suprisingly good!
and a Stanley Cup that he scored the GWG on in game 7.
These kinds of trophy cases usually belong to Canadian players.
Fun, side note about game-winning goals in the cup-clinching game: the "cup-winning goal" in 2007 was an own goal. It was credited to Travis Moen.
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I think uwe krupp was another one. It's rarely like Sid or McDavid scoring golden goals in international tournaments. Shit bounce or bad call is the difference in those games.
Which is why I love when I keep reading what losers the oilers are for losing a game 7 by one goal to an absolutely awesome panthers team. I didn't realize that meant we suck and have culture issues lol.
but we are definitely managed by morons... Chia to Holland to bowman is fugly.
Uwe Krupp's cup-clinching goal was actually the first NHL goal I ever watched. I stumbled across game 4 of the 1996 Stanley Cup finals that day with the game already in overtime (I don't remember whether it was the first or second overtime). One of the teams, I think Florida, had a shot go off the crossbar in the second overtime. I also watched Colorado skate around the ice with the Stanley Cup. Curiously enough I didn't actually start watching hockey until over five years later, even though I liked what I saw. We just didn't have cable, and the local media coverage about Phoenix getting an NHL team that summer was so bad that I wasn't aware that they even existed until like 1999.
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I think you scratched at the main issue: the "veterans get the benefit of the doubt" culture. The Oilers keep picking up vastly overpaid veterans who management claims have more "character and intangibles" than ability, but in reality they're usually paycheck stealing losers with zero accountability. Young players are unfairly benched/sent down despite vastly inferior middle-class veteran players making far more egregious mistakes. And this is across eras too with guys like Belanger/Nick Schultz etc during the Tambellini/MacTavish days, Lucic/Letestu etc during the Chiarelli era, Chiasson/Kassian/Brown/Henrique etc during the Holland era, Henrique (again)/Arvidsson etc during this season.
This leads to disgruntled young players like Holloway and Broberg wanting better opportunities elsewhere, where they can get a fair chance to earn playtime based on performance rather than garbage "we can't be disrespecting veterans" culture that has polluted this team. Also leads to the Oilers trading away stud lower pedigree prospects like Michael Kesselring who was at the time one of the best goal scoring dmen in the AHL, but the team refused to let play in the NHL because we had losers like Brett Kulak and Tyson Barrie jamming up the roster spots.
This leads to disgruntled young players like Holloway and Broberg wanting better opportunities elsewhere, where they can get a fair chance to earn playtime based on performance rather than garbage "we can't be disrespecting veterans" culture that has polluted this team. Also leads to the Oilers trading away stud lower pedigree prospects like Michael Kesselring who was at the time one of the best goal scoring dmen in the AHL, but the team refused to let play in the NHL because we had losers like Brett Kulak and Tyson Barrie jamming up the roster spots.
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The argument against the Oilers in the Tambellini era Oilers was that they handed out roster spots and key roles to young players too easily.
In reality that is the nature of a team's development cycle. Team's like Colorado and Florida were also out getting guys that are 30+ at the deadline.
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The culture problem is the front office. They think they're smarter than everybody else. It was the same with Kevin Lowe and his cronies.
Friedman (or maybe it was Lebrun) was on TSN the day Luka Doncic made his Lakers debut talking about how the Oilers weren't looking to upgrade in net at the deadline because they didn't think any available options were upgrades.
These guys are f***ing fools. Katz is a bigger fool for keeping them employed. He's burning money and wasted the best years of McDrai.
Friedman (or maybe it was Lebrun) was on TSN the day Luka Doncic made his Lakers debut talking about how the Oilers weren't looking to upgrade in net at the deadline because they didn't think any available options were upgrades.
These guys are f***ing fools. Katz is a bigger fool for keeping them employed. He's burning money and wasted the best years of McDrai.
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Who was realistically available that you think would’ve been an upgrade on Skinner?
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Maybe Jake Allen or John Gibson? Maybe they're right in that there aren't any real upgrades but it sounds like they didn't even try.
Binnington might've been fired up after the 4NFO.
That Cup run (where Skinner did step up) might've covered up some of the problems in their eyes, and I don't know if that's to the benefit of the team.
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Why are people posting laughing emojis at this post? It takes a VERY SPECIAL kind of person to laugh at someone's injuries.
Karlsson had the worst season of his career once he arrive in Pittsburgh. Looked good fir his first few games. Went south front there.
Matheson took off in Montreal.
Reilly was on top line winning cup with Knights. Went to Pens next season. Worst season of his career.
MCCann, Sullivan had no use for him. Left and scored forty goals for the Kraken.
Eler was good grinder in Washington. Ass in Pittsburg.Now playing well for the first place Caps again.
Granlund sucked in Pittsburgh. Playing well again after getting out.
Graves was pretty good before coming to Pitt. Dubas rewarded him with a huge deal. He's been terrible for the Pens. Petry great in Montreal. Sucked in Pittsburg.
I'm sure I'm leaving out a few.
Sullivan gets 5 to 6 new guys every summer. Needle never moves. Its like watching reruns of an old sitcom
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You seem to be a bit confused. First of all, you're talking about the recent Penguins, who are old and bad. Players often do worse when they have bad teammates. Do you have examples of this when the Penguins were actually good?
And you are generally just describing players on their aging curve, if you want to find a player that the Penguins made worse you would want to see a guy who was successful before and after the Penguins, but not with them. Like Foegele for the Oilers.
Karlsson: Production-wise he's right around or better than where he was his last 5 years in SJ aside from the year he didn't even pretend to try defense or play winning hockey. And he's continuing to age.
Matheson improved on the Penguins from his time in Florida and seems to have continued to do so in MTL. Maybe?
Reilly Smith had his best year in 3 years his last season with VGK with .72 PPG. Goes to Penguins and has .53 PPG. Gets traded to NYR and puts up .5 PPG. Seems like a player getting older to me
McCann played at a 61 point place his last year in PIT. First year in SEA has a 55 point pace, had a career year with 70 points, then drops back to a 60 point guy. Don't see how the Penguins were holding him back.
Eller was great in Pittsburgh, wtf are you taking about?
Granlund performed poorly in Pittsburgh, I agree with this one.
I don't know if Graves was good before but he is certainly bad now. I know a lot of posters were warning that he wasn't any good. But you will have to wait until he goes to another team.
Petry was a good player in Montreal, was pretty poor with the Penguins, and is even worse with Detroit. Another case of an old player.
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Was always a dumb narrative. The young players were the only players doing anything to win games. You can argue that Hall, RNH, Eberle, Schultz etc developed some bad habits in their first few years, but the reality is that they got those key roles because they were so much better than the dog shit veteran paycheck stealers like Belanger or Schultz, as well as declining has-beens like Horcoff and Hemsky. Many of these "young players given key roles too early" would go on to have impact performances in the playoffs too. The team failed them by surrounding them with the same type of loser veterans the Oilers are surrounding McDrai with. If the types of veterans we were getting to help Hall, RNH, and Eberle were of the Hyman/Ekholm quality and not of the Pouliot/Ference quality, the Oilers look a lot different.
Colorado and Florida indeed picked up some >30 year old players, but rarely let them jam up significant portions of the cap and would give their young players the playtime if they were better players. Meanwhile the Oilers would play a litany of low impact veterans like Brown, Henrique, Kassian, Shore, Kulak, and Ceci over vastly superior young players like Holloway, McLeod, Broberg, and Kesselring to the point where we would trade/fail to re-sign the latter group. Heck this team f***ing played TYSON BARRIE over Evan Bouchard at one point. Just absolutely clueless when it comes to evaluating player ability. All they care about is if they're a, to quote Ken Holland, "greybeard".
It's true though. Crosby will do anything for his team to win. McDavid seems to be more focused on personal goals. It's not McDavid's fault though, if the team is ok with that, then why not? Part of the culture in Edmonton. McDavid is bigger than the team and everyone is fine with that in Edmonton it seems.
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Fake news.. just because McDavid lured Brown/Hyman etc into Edmonton doesn't make him above the team. This season he isnt even ahead of/ bigger than Draisaitl. What exactly should McD be doing?
I don't like him closing out games with opponent net empty and would rather see a defensive player out there. Other than that McD does nothing that is worse for the team
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What do you base this on, other than sweater allegiance?
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I remember when guys like Khabibulin, Ference, and Lucic were supposed to bring so much "culture" to the organization.
That a player would be able to veto a trade really says it all
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Yea, it says that the players are better at being GMs than the last 4 Oilers GMs.
