OHL Expansion

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And where did they come up with that number?

Anyone remember the expansion fees when Brampton / Missy joined the league?
Not sure, but here's an article from 2022 that states the average team is worth $2-$3 million .. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/cherry-to-sell-stake-in-ohl-s-icedogs-report-1.349696

I'd be surprised if the expansion fee was $20 million. It's tough enough to find a potential owner who's willing to cover expenses for a team that will undoubtedly be a loser for at least 4 years without making them pay a $20 million expansion fee.
 
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ScoutLife4

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Not sure, but here's an article from 2022 that states the average team is worth $2-$3 million .. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/cherry-to-sell-stake-in-ohl-s-icedogs-report-1.349696

I'd be surprised if the expansion fee was $20 million. It's tough enough to find a potential owner who's willing to cover expenses for a team that will undoubtedly be a loser for at least 4 years without making them pay a $20 million expansion fee.
That is from 2002 not 2022.. Big difference. Most of the franchises are 5-6x value from then.
There is no way the expansion fee would be 20M either way but most of the franchises are worth 10-15M + now.
Expansion fee would be a small % of the total worth of the team.
 

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If USA hockey continues to try to hold USHL ownership hostage, those owners will find a legal workaround at some point. The USHL was all ready a weak league before this season, now it’s devoid of all top talent as did the BCHL.

It only natural that they will contract. I would pay to watch that level of hockey honestly.

As for pivoting and expanding into Ontario, Chatham makes no sense. That city is dead, it attracts poor retirees from Toronto to sit in the casino all day. They can barely support the Maroons.

I could see Newmarket or Markham. If a rink was built Burlington or Cambridge those could be good markets.
Cambridge would part the
Rangers territory.
 

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Interesting question...



I think it depends on how their USHL contracts are written. I think we should assume that OHL player rights would be retained for players entering the OHL. However, there is nothing preventing the OHL from creating the expansion rules that allows USHL players with rights to current OHL teams to remain the property of the USHL (new OHL) teams. The OHL could nullify those rights by giving those teams comp picks in the same round they were drafted. There will be many work arounds for a lot of little wrinkles.
 

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Heard Cornwall wants team bad they missed out on missassuaga because super deal on lease in brampton .
 

OMG67

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Heard Cornwall wants team bad they missed out on missassuaga because super deal on lease in brampton .

Really? They did Reno the place and put in what looks like new seating but no structural changes. As an Ottawa fan, I would love to see Cornwall back in the league. It would really help out in the East Division.
 
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Nanabijou

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Who are the owners of Youngstown & Muskegon? Do they even have that kind of cash?
Murry Gunty is co-owner of Youngstown. He's chief executive of Black Bear Sports which has bought up a ton of rinks across the US, particularly the east half, which then pushes the teams that play out of those rinks into Black Bear-associated leagues like THF. He made his money initially as an investment guy on Wall Street. If he doesn't have the 20 million in hand, he has the assets to get it.

He does not seem to be a big fan of USA Hockey, as he has waged some public battles with them on social media. Even though he's a co-owner of a USHL team, he's pretty heavily involved with the USPHL (not sanctioned by USA Hockey) which runs a billion junior teams (NCDC, USPHL premier, USPHL elite leagues) across the whole country, and is still currently serving as interim commissioner of those leagues I believe.

The discussion of the positive/negative impact he's had on hockey in the States doesn't need to be hashed here, but he comes across as a disruptor that I could totally see wanting to stick it to USA Hockey. How well he plays with Hockey Canada in the long term is an open question.
 
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Otto

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Murry Gunty is co-owner of Youngstown. He's chief executive of Black Bear Sports which has bought up a ton of rinks across the US, particularly the east half, which then pushes the teams that play out of those rinks into Black Bear-associated leagues like THF. He made his money initially as an investment guy on Wall Street. If he doesn't have the 20 million in hand, he has the assets to get it.

He does not seem to be a big fan of USA Hockey, as he has waged some public battles with them on social media. Even though he's a co-owner of a USHL team, he's pretty heavily involved with the USPHL (not sanctioned by USA Hockey) which runs a billion junior teams (NCDC, USPHL premier, USPHL elite leagues) across the whole country, and is still currently serving as interim commissioner of those leagues I believe.

The discussion of the positive/negative impact he's had on hockey in the States doesn't need to be hashed here, but he comes across as a disruptor that I could totally see wanting to stick it to USA Hockey. How well he plays with Hockey Canada in the long term is an open question.
Sounds like the OHL wouldn't need to be the ones ponying up the money to fight. That's a good thing.
 

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Sounds like the OHL wouldn't need to be the ones ponying up the money to fight. That's a good thing.
Not to mention the other co owner of Youngstown, Bruce Zeldon, is worth about 30 billion. If you’ve ever gone through the Midwest during summer, you’ll know his footprint. Phantom fireworks for which the team is named is his company.
 

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