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wheelz87 said:
absolutely atrocious call on Davis. going to robo ump can eliminate this but alas. always have that lingering feeling that the bucs never get those calls because we are small market.
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Per ump scorecards, we are the 8th least favored team in baseball, being favored about 42% of the time.

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Omg fire Rabelo TONIGHT.

Thankfully Cruz ignored him. This is a basic judgment that a 3rd base coach needs to have. Extrapolate speed quickly.
 
Probably too little, too late, but nice to see some good baseball on the west coast. Seems like basically any of the non-Rockies NL West teams are usually a house of horrors for us, so hopefully we can at least keep the ball rolling.

I wonder how long we are going to push it with Chandler... it's pretty obvious manipulation at this point, but the Pirates have some cover in the sense that Burrows and Ashcraft have pitched well enough to warrant looks. I think there's legitimately an aspect of it where you don't want to just yank Burrows around entirely, so that probably buys another couple of starts. The NL ROY field is extremely wide open, so I think they are going to be extremely cautious.
 
DJ Spinoza said:
Probably too little, too late, but nice to see some good baseball on the west coast. Seems like basically any of the non-Rockies NL West teams are usually a house of horrors for us, so hopefully we can at least keep the ball rolling.

I wonder how long we are going to push it with Chandler... it's pretty obvious manipulation at this point, but the Pirates have some cover in the sense that Burrows and Ashcraft have pitched well enough to warrant looks. I think there's legitimately an aspect of it where you don't want to just yank Burrows around entirely, so that probably buys another couple of starts. The NL ROY field is extremely wide open, so I think they are going to be extremely cautious.
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Bubba will be freed this month.
 
Wild that 60 games into the season, the Pirates have already lost 18 games that they were leading in. That’s almost a 1/3 of games. Just insanely bad.
 
really starting to think that based on what we have seen from skenes in terms of utter commitment to craft that the sooner chandler gets called up and seated in the clubhouse next to skenes the better for him developing a plus complementary breaking pitch
 
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really starting to think that based on what we have seen from skenes in terms of utter commitment to craft that the sooner chandler gets called up and seated in the clubhouse next to skenes the better for him developing a plus complementary breaking pitch
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Imagine getting a 30HR guy and two more who can hit over .225

Would legit fight in NL Central, at least...let alone challenge in a postseason series

Potentially been gifted cornerstones of a rotation

And we're gonna let it die on the vine
 
I'm not quite sure what to make of Jarren Duran's name coming up in some trade rumors. It mostly seems like a big red flag, i.e. that 2024 was an extreme outlier season and the Red Sox might now seek to capitalize on whatever trade value he still has left.

But just spitballing, even with the potential warts, that might be the kind of risk that would be "necessary" in a Keller trade, given all of the other self-imposed constraints.

It's tough, because in general, my attitude with Keller and Reynolds is basically that moving them is going to make any path back to respectability way harder (obviously), but it's not too hard to see where things are trending: some kind of concentrated retool around Skenes and Chandler, who you hope can be as legit as advertised. Given the offense and his inconsistency, Reynolds is probably not worth even entertaining a move, but Keller is a different sort of proposition.

I think it's still tricky, mainly because there are really no guarantees with Chandler. The hype is warranted, but it's basically the best result imaginable that he comes up and has a solid debut this year and then is immediately a mainstay out of spring training next year. It's possible he does this, or does it with only a small number of bumps in the road, but it is worth repeating that Skenes is an extreme, absurd anomaly.

So subtracting a strong 190-200 IP veteran rotation anchor from an already bad team is a risky proposition, because we all know that the only actual path to contending is to add talent and not shuffle the deck.

But even with these caveats, if Duran is on the market, then it might be the right opportunity cost to try and jumpstart any kind of retool. I'm not sure it would even need to be Keller -- ideally, maybe you can even snipe him for non-Chandler young pitching talent. But it strikes me as one of the few potential names this summer who could be worth checking in on, even with the yellow/red flags of him being on the market after such a good season (if it's actually true that he is, and granting that the Red Sox have a unique logjam of batters).
 
I don't think you get anywhere near Duran with Keller. Seems like they would be asking for Chandler+.

A potential playoff team will throw more at them if they are really willing to trade him.
 
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