Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread - Trades, Signings, Rumors

[Carolinas Identity*]

pretty sure Dahlback is going to be in Vegas next season

 

[geehaad]

pretty sure Dahlback is going to be in Vegas next season

I'll take that bet.

 

[MinJaBen]

pretty sure Dahlback is going to be in Vegas next season

I'll take that bet.

Can I have some of that action as well? Easiest money I'll ever make, for sure.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Seriously?

Why would he be?

We will likely be exposing one of PDG or McGinn Stempniak or a similar forward. Common conception is that Vegas will have a way easier time finding 6 NHL dmen than they will 12 NHL forwards.

I dunno if they will see the need to pick a 7d from us.

You could be right though, honestly who knows, this draft is gonna be so bonkers.

 

[geehaad]

You could be right though, honestly who knows, this draft is gonna be so bonkers.

No doubt. Every time I try to make a statement about anything expansion draft related, I got bogged down with what-ifs and uncertainty. It's even difficult to ask questions about how something will likely go down, much less make statements.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Vegas will have many defensemen available to them who are far better than Dahlbeck. Wish that's who they'd take but I don't think there's the slightest chance.

 

[geehaad]

Now that's a discussion we can actually have...rather than making things complex by mixing actual logic into the conversation, who do you *wish* Vegas would take?

For me, I think I'd like for them to take Ward. I'm really conflicted on this, because a piece of my intellect believes that Ward would be a good backup, and could be a better backup for the playoffs than Lack. But in the end, I'd rather be done with the old guard and move into the new era with a fresh crop of players.

I still think Lack and Murphy have some -- albeit very little -- trade value.
I don't want Carrick, PDG, or McGinn claimed as some other team's prospect.
Dahlbeck is an insurance policy for the top-6 defense.
I think Stempniak is a viable member of the current NHL roster.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Here's my order of preference on who will be selected out of the likely/possible candidates:

1) Lack or Ward.
2) Murphy
3) Carrick (although I think we'll protect him unless there is another trade). We have a lot of depth on LHD side.
4) Dahlbeck.
5) PDG
6) Nordstrom
7) Stempniak
8) McGinn

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Dahlbeck is 7D and lefty.

I think our left side next year is:

Slavin
Hanifin
Fleury
Dahlbeck

I'm all for bringing in a vet but I'd prefer a righty.

Agree on the righty, but I think it's going to be very tough to find what we want. We want a veteran, "decent" defenseman who can skate, who is a righty and we don't want to pay more than a 3rd pairing salary for. Does that exist?

Here is a list of some of the RD available as UFAs:
Wideman
Shattenkirk
M. Stone
Franson
Michalek
Engelland
Polak
T. Gilbert
Quincey
Hunwick
Gryba
Postma
Tennyson
McBain
Prosser

Another option, what if RF can trade for a guy that a team will lose in the expansion draft (not necessarily him, but like a Vantanen for instance). I get that getting a guy like that seems like overkill for a 3rd pairing, but we will have some injuries and it gives us a lot of flexibility. Going to be interesting to see what he does, but I'm guessing the veteran D will come via UFA and be less than ideal.

 

[Unsustainable]

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-carolina-hurricanes-1.758210

TSN line up after trades:

MY PROJECTED 2017-2018 HURRICANES DEPTH CHART:

Jeff Skinner - Matt Duchene - Elias Lindholm
Aleksi Saarela - Jordan Staal - Sebastian Aho
Teuvo Teravainen - Victor Rask - P.A. Parenteau *
Brock McGinn - Lucas Wallmark - Joakim Nordstrom
Phil Di Giuseppe - Ryan Carpenter - Julien Gauthier
Sergey Tolchinsky - Nicolas Roy - Andrew Poturalski


Jacob Slavin - Brett Pesce
Brendan Smith - Justin Faulk
Kyle Quincey - Ryan Murphy
Klas Dahlbeck - Roland McKeown
Haydn Fleury - Trevor Carrick

Scott Darling
Cam Ward

 

[DaveG]

Eww.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Realistically I don't see us adding 6 new opening-night roster players in a single offseason. That's a LOT of turnover for any team, let alone one which has a hard time attracting free agents and seems loathe to make a reckless trade.

This is going to sound more negative than I mean it to, but more than likely we're going to need to be satisfied with Darling and maybe 1-2 other relatively small additions.

 

[Unsustainable]

Realistically I don't see us adding 6 new opening-night roster players in a single offseason. That's a LOT of turnover for any team, let alone one which has a hard time attracting free agents and seems loathe to make a reckless trade.

This is going to sound more negative than I mean it to, but more than likely we're going to need to be satisfied with Darling and maybe 1-2 other relatively small additions.

I'd like get a nice big RW, like Williams or Oshie, maybe add a center like Bones, then a capable D, that could maybe mentor Fluery a little and bring him up.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Agree on the righty, but I think it's going to be very tough to find what we want. We want a veteran, "decent" defenseman who can skate, who is a righty and we don't want to pay more than a 3rd pairing salary for. Does that exist?

Here is a list of some of the RD available as UFAs:
Wideman
Shattenkirk
M. Stone
Franson
Michalek
Engelland
Polak
T. Gilbert
Quincey
Hunwick
Gryba
Postma
Tennyson
McBain
Prosser

Another option, what if RF can trade for a guy that a team will lose in the expansion draft (not necessarily him, but like a Vantanen for instance). I get that getting a guy like that seems like overkill for a 3rd pairing, but we will have some injuries and it gives us a lot of flexibility. Going to be interesting to see what he does, but I'm guessing the veteran D will come via UFA and be less than ideal.

I'm on record in some other thread saying we should do this. I'd like a puck moving guy for the 3rd pairing, a guy that can run a PP. I'd really like Ellis (like you said, overkill), but I've heard Nashville might go 4+4 to keep their defense together.

Regardless, I think the left side is set, and I don't think that's a major need for the offseason. I do think a righty is.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

This is going to sound more negative than I mean it to, but more than likely we're going to need to be satisfied with Darling and maybe 1-2 other relatively small additions.

Probably agree, with the caveat that things may be a bit different this year due to the expansion draft and some will depend on who Vegas chooses from the Canes. Even in the Francis interview that Novacane posted a few days ago (thanks for that Novacane), Francis clearly said they were looking to add 1 or maybe 2 top nine forwards and a defenseman...so probably 3 guys.

If Stempniak is chosen in expansion draft, then the Canes would have:

Skinner-Rask-X
Aho-Staal-Lindholm
McGinn/PDG - TT - X
Nordstrom - Wallmark - X
PDG/McGinn

Slavin-Pesce
Hanifin-Faulk
Fleury - X
Dhalbeck

Darling
Ward/Lack

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm on record in some other thread saying we should do this. I'd like a puck moving guy for the 3rd pairing, a guy that can run a PP. I'd really like Ellis (like you said, overkill), but I've heard Nashville might go 4+4 to keep their defense together.

Regardless, I think the left side is set, and I don't think that's a major need for the offseason. I do think a righty is.

I'd love to have the Canes acquire a guy like Vatanen. He adds a skillset we don't have in that he's much more of a puck distributor / PP QB than a guy like Faulk. Gives the team a ton of flexibility. Problem I see though is that there are other teams who can also protect him, have a bigger need for him, and that likely would offer more in return (Leafs for example).

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I'd love to have the Canes acquire a guy like Vatanen. He adds a skillset we don't have in that he's much more of a puck distributor / PP QB than a guy like Faulk. Gives the team a ton of flexibility. Problem I see though is that there are other teams who can also protect him, have a bigger need for him, and that likely would offer more in return (Leafs for example).

Agreed, apologies I was typing from my phone and read and promptly forgot about that part of your post. He probably fits us even better than Ellis, and probably costs less.

 

[NotOpie]

Now that's a discussion we can actually have...rather than making things complex by mixing actual logic into the conversation, who do you *wish* Vegas would take?

For me, I think I'd like for them to take Ward. I'm really conflicted on this, because a piece of my intellect believes that Ward would be a good backup, and could be a better backup for the playoffs than Lack. But in the end, I'd rather be done with the old guard and move into the new era with a fresh crop of players.

I still think Lack and Murphy have some -- albeit very little -- trade value.
I don't want Carrick, PDG, or McGinn claimed as some other team's prospect.
Dahlbeck is an insurance policy for the top-6 defense.
I think Stempniak is a viable member of the current NHL roster.

My shot:

1. Murphy
2. Lack
3. Stempniak
4. Dahlbeck
5. DiGiuseppe
6. Altshuller
7. Nordstrom
8. McGinn

I have Stempniak fairly high, not because I don't like him or not because I don't think he's valuable, but because I think if he's taken, it forces GMRFs hands a bit on the quality of the forward he'll ultimately end up acquiring.

 

[geehaad]

1. Murphy

Why SMurph? My take is that he's cheap, he's a backup at the RHD spot that we don't otherwise have, and they might be able to con some team into giving up an asset for him at some point in the future.

 

[NotOpie]

Why SMurph? My take is that he's cheap, he's a backup at the RHD spot that we don't otherwise have, and they might be able to con some team into giving up an asset for him at some point in the future.

All good points, g. Still, I think I'm letting my disappointment show through. I really thought he'd take enough of a step forward this season so that he'd be a viable 3rd pairing guy. It just didn't happen and I'm pissed.

A second reason, despite me having Stempniak ranked so high (for the reasons that I gave), it would keep him in the mix. His 40 points are valuable and every combination of guys I've worked through in my head had to include a guy to replace Stempniak's 40 points. The challenge is, I still see him as a very good 3rd liner. As a pure right wing, he sort of forces us to play Teravainen at center (which actually wouldn't be the worst thing in the world as I actually think he looked good in the middle....if he could just win a freaking draw). Put a bigger body with a little bit of speed over on the left side of that line and it could be a tough match up for the opposition.

But back to Murphy....I'm beginning to wonder if there is anything at all we can get for him, even in a package deal. Oh well...I've gone on long enough.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Wild fan here, wondering if Pominville to Carolina might be a fit.

My logic:
Pominville is still a productive top 9 player, but his role has been severely reduced due to development from Granlund/Coyle at RW. He put up 50 points with mostly 3rd line minutes and limited PP minutes. He's overpaid by probably a million or 1.5 million, but he's still has value.

But, the flip side to that is July 1st the Wild will pay out a 2.5 million signing bonus, meaning his final two years he's due only 7.5 million (3.75 avg salary). Given Carolina isn't close to the cap, the cap hit is probably mostly irrelevant for two years.

Judging by a few of the posts, there appears to be a need at RW, and my impression is Carolina is looking to step out of their rebuild into competitiveness and could use the scoring. Kind of makes a lot of sense to me.

Thoughts? I can't imagine the return would be huge. 2nd or 3rd and B prospect?

 

[geehaad]

You mean you'd give us a 2nd or 3rd round pick for taking him off your hands?

 

[Roboturner913]

Wild fan here, wondering if Pominville to Carolina might be a fit.

My logic:
Pominville is still a productive top 9 player, but his role has been severely reduced due to development from Granlund/Coyle at RW. He put up 50 points with mostly 3rd line minutes and limited PP minutes. He's overpaid by probably a million or 1.5 million, but he's still has value.

But, the flip side to that is July 1st the Wild will pay out a 2.5 million signing bonus, meaning his final two years he's due only 7.5 million (3.75 avg salary). Given Carolina isn't close to the cap, the cap hit is probably mostly irrelevant for two years.

Judging by a few of the posts, there appears to be a need at RW, and my impression is Carolina is looking to step out of their rebuild into competitiveness and could use the scoring. Kind of makes a lot of sense to me.

Thoughts? I can't imagine the return would be huge. 2nd or 3rd and B prospect?

I would actually like Pominville a lot. Assuming we lose Stempniak, he is the perfect replacement for that 40-point hole in the lineup. Being temporary as it is, his salary doesn't seem all that big a deal to me. I'm sure others will hate it though.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Wild fan here, wondering if Pominville to Carolina might be a fit.

My logic:
Pominville is still a productive top 9 player, but his role has been severely reduced due to development from Granlund/Coyle at RW. He put up 50 points with mostly 3rd line minutes and limited PP minutes. He's overpaid by probably a million or 1.5 million, but he's still has value.

But, the flip side to that is July 1st the Wild will pay out a 2.5 million signing bonus, meaning his final two years he's due only 7.5 million (3.75 avg salary). Given Carolina isn't close to the cap, the cap hit is probably mostly irrelevant for two years.

Judging by a few of the posts, there appears to be a need at RW, and my impression is Carolina is looking to step out of their rebuild into competitiveness and could use the scoring. Kind of makes a lot of sense to me.

Thoughts? I can't imagine the return would be huge. 2nd or 3rd and B prospect?

Don't hate it at all, well done considering team need before posting (plus several kudos for knowing we'd want guys that don't make a lot of real money).

Francis has said he's looking for two top 9 forwards. This would certainly fill the hole for one of them. I'd do it for a 3rd, sure!

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Sorry to be the second Central-division team dropping by sniffing around for trades, but I wonder what on the Blues' roster / prospect pool might be appealing for Nicolas Roy? I honestly don't know a whole lot about him, so I apologize if that's violating some level of affection you guys might have for him. He seems like a very "Blues-y" player, and we have a big need for right-handed centermen. You guys seem to be relatively set on defense, so I'm not sure what we've got that would appeal to you necessarily, but then again I don't know much about your needs. We have an overabundance of pretty solid middle-6 forward vets, if that kind of thing appeals to you at all (Perron, Berglund, Lehtera, Sobotka, etc.).

P.S. we tried to warn you about Rattie