OT: Official Video Game Thread (Part 3)

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The problem is they keep relying on motion controls. The Wii U game pad made for an interesting idea that next to nobody used.

A lot of fans would probably just as soon have a SNES 2 than the successor to the Wii/Wii U. The Wii was a revelation that quickly died out (as evidenced by the now defunct Waggle and Kinect). Kids (and adults) don't want to have to aim by standing up, they just want to use their thumbs. The novelty is gone. It's not a bad thing to have but its time is past.

And, as evidenced by Star Fox, reliance on motion controls is a huge turnoff. The option is nice to have, but not something that should be necessary.

I don't know. I see what you're saying, but Nintendo made a stupid amount of money from the Wii. It was a massive success. The WiiU, not so much.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I don't know. I see what you're saying, but Nintendo made a stupid amount of money from the Wii. It was a massive success. The WiiU, not so much.

Oh I agree. It was very smart to target the casual market. More often than not the big N knows what it's doing. I just think the novelty has worn off. Funny enough, as much of a success as the Wii was, I think the Wii U offers better games, and more of them.

I haven't played it yet but I think the new Star Fox would've benefitted a lot more from a classic control scheme that one that relies on motion and 2 screens. I'm slightly concerned that Zelda will take a similar turn. Granted we know next to nothing about it, so we'll see.

I have no doubt in my mind that the NX will be a bigger success than the Wii U, especially because they've said upfront it's a newer console (or whatever it's supposed to be) and insulating it with a new Zelda game is a good idea.

But Nintendo's biggest failings are marketing and their handling of all things online. I shouldn't have to pay for Earthbound twice. I shouldn't lose all my data if my system bricks, etc etc. They are a decade behind Microsoft and Sony in that department. If they market the NX properly and get an actual account system similar to PSN and XBL they'll be Scrooge McDucking in dough.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Oh I agree. It was very smart to target the casual market. More often than not the big N knows what it's doing. I just think the novelty has worn off. Funny enough, as much of a success as the Wii was, I think the Wii U offers better games, and more of them.

I haven't played it yet but I think the new Star Fox would've benefitted a lot more from a classic control scheme that one that relies on motion and 2 screens. I'm slightly concerned that Zelda will take a similar turn. Granted we know next to nothing about it, so we'll see.

I have no doubt in my mind that the NX will be a bigger success than the Wii U, especially because they've said upfront it's a newer console (or whatever it's supposed to be) and insulating it with a new Zelda game is a good idea.

But Nintendo's biggest failings are marketing and their handling of all things online. I shouldn't have to pay for Earthbound twice. I shouldn't lose all my data if my system bricks, etc etc. They are a decade behind Microsoft and Sony in that department. If they market the NX properly and get an actual account system similar to PSN and XBL they'll be Scrooge McDucking in dough.

Yeah, that's been Nintendo's struggle, plus the lack of 3rd party support.

 

[syz]

If Nintendo were Sony or Mircosoft, that would likely be true, however they are still quite rich and quite comfortable.

They still make money, not sure why people can't understand that.

They made money. The 3DS is losing to phones. The Wii U is losing to everything. A traditional Nintendo console will lose to the Xbox One, which is losing to the PS4, which will lose to the PC within 4-5 years. All of this without considering VR.

It doesn't matter how strong they make it, or what they do for an online system; if the install base isn't there, third party won't waste development time/money on an NX version of their game. This will likely be the last console generation, so Nintendo has to, once again, have something novel, or they're 5 years from making Mario games exclusively for Steam and iOS.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

They made money. The 3DS is losing to phones. The Wii U is losing to everything. A traditional Nintendo console will lose to the Xbox One, which is losing to the PS4, which will lose to the PC within 4-5 years. All of this without considering VR.

It doesn't matter how strong they make it, or what they do for an online system; if the install base isn't there, third party won't waste development time/money on an NX version of their game. This will likely be the last console generation, so Nintendo has to, once again, have something novel, or they're 5 years from making Mario games exclusively for Steam and iOS.

Nintendo won't be going third party anytime soon. They could lose money for longer than the rest of most of our lives and still be around. Mario and Zelda alone are million sellers by themselves. The Wii was behind the 360 and PS3 in most regards and still blew them both out of the water.

The thing Nintendo has are great first party games. When you take out the multiplats, neither the Xbox One or the PS4 are that impressive. If Nintendo adopts the ideas of the other companies they'll insulate themselves just fine. The problem is that the company is run by cavemen Japanese lawyers who don't realize that it's not 1996 anymore.

Also I don't think the 3DS is trying to compete with phones/ipads and the like. Their only real direct competition is the Vita. For as long as they decide to, Nintendo owns the handheld console market.

 

[syz]

Nintendo's first party is just another example of how badly they need some innovation. It's surprising to me how many people remain interested in the new Zelda considering they haven't made a good (3D) one since the Gamecube was a thing. That's two full hardware cycles without a decent 3D Zelda. One cycle without a real 3D Mario at all. Metroid continues to be misused (when it's being used at all). Star Fox currently needs CPR. Kirby has been mediocre for too long now as well.

Something like Splatoon is reassuring, but Nintendo has a lot to prove in regards to most of their established franchises. None of them are compelling enough to buy a console at this point.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If Nintendo ever localized Mother 3 that would wash away a lot of bad feelings and PR.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

I totally get what you're saying about Nintendo, but in my personal opinion it's a bit off.


Infact, even with looming $220million losses, they never laid off a single developer.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-satoru-iwata-refuses-to-lay-off-staff


(Nintendo has the most 85+% MetaCritic original titles this generation.. not including ports).


I don't think you realise just how much Nintendo has saved in their warchest from NES, Wii, and DS/3DS.
They currently have nearly $15 billion in their warchest, and are not looking to change. Infact, they proclaim they will gladly continue to do what they do for the next 50 years without laying off a single developer.


Keep in Mind, both the Wii, Wii U and 3DS sold for massive profits, unlike the PS4/Xbone, which sold for a significant loss.





Nintendo is just being Nintendo. They always have and always will.

They've been around since the 1800s, and they've seldom competed for the same market share as Sony or Microsoft.

 

[The Head Crusher]

I totally get what you're saying about Nintendo, but in my personal opinion it's a bit off.


Infact, even with looming $220million losses, they never laid off a single developer.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-satoru-iwata-refuses-to-lay-off-staff


(Nintendo has the most 85+% MetaCritic original titles this generation.. not including ports).


I don't think you realise just how much Nintendo has saved in their warchest from NES, Wii, and DS/3DS.
They currently have nearly $15 billion in their warchest, and are not looking to change. Infact, they proclaim they will gladly continue to do what they do for the next 50 years without laying off a single developer.


Keep in Mind, both the Wii, Wii U and 3DS sold for massive profits, unlike the PS4/Xbone, which sold for a significant loss.





Nintendo is just being Nintendo. They always have and always will.

They've been around since the 1800s, and they've seldom competed for the same market share as Sony or Microsoft.

Not since the N64.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not since the N64.

Second greatest system of all time. Those were the days.

 

[syz]

Second greatest system of all time. Those were the days.

Wouldn't even put it top 5.

Nintendo alone has 2 that were better.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Wouldn't even put it top 5.

Nintendo alone has 2 that were better.

The SNES and what? The NES?

N64 had the best couch multiplayer around.

 

[syz]

The SNES and what? The NES?

N64 had the best couch multiplayer around.

Like what?

When I think back to the N64 I think of two of the greatest games ever made, and then... not much else. But that was also around the same time that I got a PC and dial-up, so Starcraft and Quake 2 were more important. Although that didn't stop me from getting way into the PS1 at the same time, so I dunno.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Like what?

When I think back to the N64 I think of two of the greatest games ever made, and then... not much else. But that was also around the same time that I got a PC and dial-up, so Starcraft and Quake 2 were more important. Although that didn't stop me from getting way into the PS1 at the same time, so I dunno.

Mario Kart, Mario Party, Smash Bros, Goldeneye, the list goes on....

The N64 was a treasure trove of great multiplayer games.

 

[McDNicks17]

I loved the N64.

I remember playing a lot of Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Perfect Dark(played it more than Goldeneye since my sister would play it with me because you could add bots haha), Mario Party, Diddy Kong Racing, Vigilante 8, Snowboard Kids and Ridge Racer as far as multiplayer games went.

 

[thadd]

Yeah, that's been Nintendo's struggle, plus the lack of 3rd party support.

If they hadn't given the middle finger to 3rd party developers so many times it probably wouldn't be a problem.

It was a really hard decesion to make, but I never bought a game cube. I moved onto Sony instead. I felt like my generation was a big reason why the super nintendo and the nintendo made so much money whether those games be made by Nintendo or 3rd party developers and I really felt like Nintendo was saying that I wasn't important while I owned an N64 because they'd given the proverbial finger to 3rd party developers and it seemed like most of their games were more tailored to younger audiences.

I don't think that's changed, either.

 

[syz]

Eh, thinking about it now I'd probably put the Gamecube over the N64 as well, personally. More games on there that I thought were worth playing.

I got nothing out of my N64 beyond Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. GC had more standout games; RE remake, RE4, Metroid Prime, Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, and smaller stuff like Viewtiful Joe. Yea, Mario Sunshine was garbage, but oh well.

People like to talk up stuff like Goldeneye but I attribute that to them just not knowing any better. It felt bad compared to Quake, and then Quake 2 came out like 2 months later and made Goldeneye feel completely unplayable. My uncle was all about that and Turok back in the day and I just couldn't take playing either of them. It was like man, I could be at home playing on Heat.net right now instead.

 

[Supermassive]

No offence, but I really discount the opinions of PlayStation/PC gamers when it comes to evaluating Nintendo games. There is an inherent amount of snobbery that comes along with not grasping the true value of the fun factor, local multiplayer and replayability of N64 games.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No offence, but I really discount the opinions of PlayStation/PC gamers when it comes to evaluating Nintendo games. There is an inherent amount of snobbery that comes along with not grasping the true value of the fun factor, local multiplayer and replayability of N64 games.

You cannot grasp the true form of the N64's awesomeness.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If they hadn't given the middle finger to 3rd party developers so many times it probably wouldn't be a problem.

It was a really hard decesion to make, but I never bought a game cube. I moved onto Sony instead. I felt like my generation was a big reason why the super nintendo and the nintendo made so much money whether those games be made by Nintendo or 3rd party developers and I really felt like Nintendo was saying that I wasn't important while I owned an N64 because they'd given the proverbial finger to 3rd party developers and it seemed like most of their games were more tailored to younger audiences.

I don't think that's changed, either.

Yeah, I don't know that they did this as much as just made systems that were more difficult to develop for then their competitors.

If they fall in line with the ease of development like the other consoles and get that 3rd party support, they are going to make a lot of money again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah, I don't know that they did this as much as just made systems that were more difficult to develop for then their competitors.

If they fall in line with the ease of development like the other consoles and get that 3rd party support, they are going to make a lot of money again.

Agreed. The Wii U was so hard to program for that most 3rd party developers didn't bother. If the NX is more in line with the PS4/Xbone then they shouldn't have any issue attracting 3rd party support unless they're deliberately ignoring them.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Agreed. The Wii U was so hard to program for that most 3rd party developers didn't bother. If the NX is more in line with the PS4/Xbone then they shouldn't have any issue attracting 3rd party support unless they're deliberately ignoring them.

That's it, it's hard enough to develop a AAA title, let alone try and change if for a different system architecture (I don't know if this is proper language, this is gist of what I know).

And with the built-in audience Nintendo has, ignoring them would be stupid.

 

[Digger12]

I know this might put me in the minority around here, but I'm a big fan of the Persona series and this extended trailer that came out today for Persona 5 that finally shows its release date in Japan put a completely stupid grin on my face, and I didn't even understand a word...it's completely insane in all my favourite ways.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/05/05/persona-5-official-japanese-release-date-trailer

A bit sad that it looks like I won't be seeing a North American release until probably 2017, but whatever. It'll just give me more time to catch up on my giant library of "need to play" games that I have but not even played yet.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Anyone playing overwatch on the xb1 and need someone? Just picked up the game today and looking for a group to play with. I'm a super noob but totally want to learn the game with a bunch of people and have some fun.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I kinda want to try Overwatch but I'm not sure it's worth $80.