TeamKidd
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Official Trade Speculation/Proposal Thread III
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TeamKidd
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I am firmly convinced that some people only want to be islander fans so that they have something to complain about. They find fault everywhere with others.
Hip Of Rick*
Snow Must Go!
We want to make trades that make sense for a cheap franchise with little prospects of spending money. Trading Nino for an overpaid 4th line player is getting ripped off. Trading Moulson plus futures for Vanek, a guy who we had very little chance of signing makes zero sense.
We want to draft well and develop them. Snow bashers (realists) have all said leave Strome , Lee,Reinhart etc.. in the minors to let them develop. Playing them in the NHL is a recipe for failure.
I don't want to watch a team lost for 8 straight years. This is real life, not a fantasy league simulator. Professional sports is about one thing and that is winning.
Hip Of Rick*
Snow Must Go!
The management is the worst in sports period. Wang is the worst owner in hockey and Snow is the worst GM in hockey. Its possible to have both and we do indeed have both. 8 years in the basement proves that. Here is a link to the standings http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings, you can scroll by year if you forgot that we have sucked for the past 8 years.
bluechipbonzo
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Prices will need to drop for Kings to make their move. Plus cap an issue...
Prices will need to drop for Kings to make their move. Plus cap an issue...
Sadly we don't have an owner who will say hey we will pay half that salary to make the trade fit your cap.
My money is Anaheim or San Jose
Tres Peleches
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I forgot winning was as simple as going and flipping the winning switch or going to the land of winning and picking wins off the win trees.
It's not. We were left with a bad team in a bad position with no high-end prospects. I don't know what the heck people were expecting over the past several years.
"Yeah but we should have just signed some free agents!"
Wonderful idea, though it takes 2 to tango
"Well then we should trade for players... But not the players we trade for, different players"
Again, it takes 2 to tango... Even more if a player has a NTC. Jus because we want to trade for a player doesn't make him available (and if he is for a reasonable price). Despite what people think, Vanek did fill an organizational need being a top line wing for Tavares. Did it work as planned? No. But at the same time people would complain that we didnt try to get JT a legit winger if we didn't make a move. It's a no win position really
While I think that this past offseason was a failure in that we failed to leverage our making the playoffs into signing some decent FA's (a goalie would have been nice), I can honestly say I think this team is in much better shape for the future than it was 2-3 years ago. This season has been a huge disappointment but it's not like we didn't lose half out starting D and goaltender and now our best player at some point in the season.
All that being said, I'll be much more critical of the team if they underperform next season because they have no excuse to not go out and try to find a high end goalie and perhaps pick up some depth on defense
Tres Peleches
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Isn't part of Vanek's salary already eaten by Buffalo? I thought if that was the case you couldn't "double up" on that by trading him to another team an withholding more cap
I believe Buffalo is paying 2M of his 7M caphit. I could be wrong here But I believe the Islanders can pay 1.5M more of it(which when pro rated over 20 games would be like 375k). Who knows maybe the Islanders payroll is so low they will have to pay part of players they trade so they can stay over the cap. lol
Janson
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Not for nothing, its not like this organization is without fault or made the wrong decision repeatedly. Not trying to defender haters but they its not like the criticism is unwarranted. No fan can be happy with this season.
Or the 1995-2001 seasons and 2005+ seasons besides 2007 and last year. lol
I think the worst part of the team is it's just annoying constantly see the team nickle and dime it's way to fielding a roster. Personally I blame the Owner way more then the GM though in this case
Hip Of Rick*
Snow Must Go!
Of course winning is hard, losing is very easy. Snow has that mastered. Why do some kool-aiders continue to make excuses for what should be a professional GM. His putrid record speaks for itself.
We didn't have blue chippers when Snow arrived but Snow also inherited a PLAYOFF team. It wasn't a great team but Snow dismantled it into a bottom feeder overnight. Take away that first year and Snows putrid record is even worse. Snow also dealt 3 1st round picks for Smyth. While they may have been lower end prospects they still had trade value.
The Vanek ordeal will be over shortly and we have ~80-90% chance of coming out of it behind. The Vanek trade is a homerun swing a team like the Pens make. When is the last time a 7-13th place type of team made a Vanek deal? I don't remember any in the past 5 or so years, reason being is it has very little upside.
Injuries is the poorest and oldest excuse in the books. Every single team will suffer a key injury throughout the season. We have had key injuries for the past 8 years save last year. Last year we got lucky.
If Hamonic gets suspended for any real time after his attack on Carter today do you think Snow will stop short of trading AMac?
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If you read the backstory to all of this, nowhere have i said that snow was some great, award winning GM, but i do not think he's the worst GM in the history of the sport, although we have a few other contenders on that list. This is a small market team with a shoestring budget. It just grinds my gears when people assume he's going to Milbury the trades of vanek and amac. Can we let the man pull the trades off before we burn him at the stake?
First people were complaining that vanek isnt any good
THEN they were complaining that snow wasnt going to get enough for him.
make up your mind, either he's not good in which case we WONT or he IS good and we MIGHT.
You need to read what the Snow bashers are saying since your interpretation as stated above has no basis of fact.
We have long advocated solid drafting and player development. We are NOT impatient but have no tolerance for stupid trades like the one involving Nino and the Vanek deal that had more potential for blowing up in their faces than being the home run that Snow seemed to think it might have been. Those deals also disrupt the rebuild.
We wanted the GM to recognize that, without an upgrade in goal and on defense, the playoff team from last season would regress this year. We did not want to waste precious dollars on the likes of Regin, Bouchard and Martinek. Our GM felt no need to upgrade on defense (he clearly stated this on a number of occasions) which strongly suggests that his ability to evaluate talent is suspect since this is not a quality NHL calibre defense core. He failed to even take a relatively cheap flyer on a guy like Khudobin who many on these boards had advocated.
You want to bash the bashers but facts are facts. The team has gone nowhere under Snow except for the selection of Tavares and the infamous "pool of prospects."
MattMartin
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Let us not forget that the kool aid drinkers and Snow lovers remember that we have been either at or near the bottom of the salary cap payroll floor for sometime now. Let us also not forget that Wang has 0 playoff series wins with him as the owner. Let us think a new GM will magically be able to address this.
MattMartin
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It goes both ways - Nino queered his value while Vanek failed primarily in hindsight. I wouldn't have traded the picks, but I understand the risk.
I will say this much, though - even if Buffalo is working under the premise of moving everything they just acquired for Miller and Ott, that GM grinds out a trade. Miller was worth 2 of those pieces in my opinion, but Ott wasn't work the other two, though I could be underestimating his value.
It would be nice to see Snow win an actually trade, because even as a "different" brand of realist seeing where the financial lethargy of the franchise leaks into every aspect of the overall picture, that absolutely needs to be improved.
The Islanders may not be quite as bad off if Snow were better at trading, but given the justification behind the opinions of those of us who see the failure at 75%/25% on Garth's worst day, I think the difference is about as far off in negligence as blaming the tires on a car with a fried computer. Lowers the value, leaves more to fix, but you still need a new card all the same.
Regardless, he could stand to flat out "win" a trade. Nino for Clutter doesn't singe me, Zhitnik for Meyer when Zhitnik could have had Brayden Coburn does.
I will say this much, though - even if Buffalo is working under the premise of moving everything they just acquired for Miller and Ott, that GM grinds out a trade. Miller was worth 2 of those pieces in my opinion, but Ott wasn't work the other two, though I could be underestimating his value.
It would be nice to see Snow win an actually trade, because even as a "different" brand of realist seeing where the financial lethargy of the franchise leaks into every aspect of the overall picture, that absolutely needs to be improved.
The Islanders may not be quite as bad off if Snow were better at trading, but given the justification behind the opinions of those of us who see the failure at 75%/25% on Garth's worst day, I think the difference is about as far off in negligence as blaming the tires on a car with a fried computer. Lowers the value, leaves more to fix, but you still need a new card all the same.
Regardless, he could stand to flat out "win" a trade. Nino for Clutter doesn't singe me, Zhitnik for Meyer when Zhitnik could have had Brayden Coburn does.
Quicklime
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Let us not forget that the kool aid drinkers and Snow lovers remember that we have been either at or near the bottom of the salary cap payroll floor for sometime now. Let us also not forget that Wang has 0 playoff series wins with him as the owner. Let us think a new GM will magically be able to address this.
Hip Of Rick*
Snow Must Go!
Going into the past and naming the Milburys of the world can easily be done but the real question is what currently employed GM is worse than Snow and why?
I never said he is the worst GM of all time, I have and will continue to say Snow is the worst GM currently employed. Of course Wang plays a role but that does not make Snow innocent.
I never said he is the worst GM of all time, I have and will continue to say Snow is the worst GM currently employed. Of course Wang plays a role but that does not make Snow innocent.
Let us not forget that the kool aid drinkers and Snow lovers remember that we have been either at or near the bottom of the salary cap payroll floor for sometime now. Let us also not forget that Wang has 0 playoff series wins with him as the owner. Let us think a new GM will magically be able to address this.
It's not forgotten but coupling a bad owner (which isn't changing) with a piss poor GM condemns the franchise. I'd like to see what another GM can do given the very same conditions that Snow has to work under. I'm not of the opinion that there is no reason to try someone else like many here seem to be.
MattMartin
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I agree. We have had so much success in the GM department with all these great owners. Might as well get Wang's son, what's the worst that can happen?
Another MMM could set us back another 10 years, try to not forget this. I'm not saying Snow is the man or anything, however, what I'm trying to say is....UNLESS WE GET A FREAKING OWNER WHO CARES ABOUT HOCKEY, THINGS WILL REMAIN THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think it was LeBrun who is reporting Anaheim has gotten a lot of calls about Gibson, but they are saying he is not available. The Ducks think he will be a star.
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