Official Trade Speculation/Proposal Thread III

[MikeT98213]

The Isles have taken great lengths to make sure they don't rush their kids and to let them develop. Moaning about how they haven't done anything now? Would you rather we throw them to the wolves like we did with Bailey and Nino? I prefer the route we're taking.

The team is built through the draft and we are now starting to see contributions from the 2010 and 2009 (CdH) classes, that's more norm than some kid coming in and setting the NHL ablaze right away. It took JT until his 3rd season to really break out, he didn't happen overnight either.

Complain all you want about Snow and his inactivity or whatever, but complaining about trying to the right thing by developing their prospects should be a good thing and not a negative thing IMO.

I wasn't "moaning" about prospect development...only saying that Snow's main "claim to fame" has been his accumulation of prospects which, to me, is not something that should be the only thing on a GMs resume.

 

[MikeT98213]

and its not like all of our good prospects are 1st rounders anyway. he's picked several late round gems that have or could do well for us, thats a skill.

And it's not as like all of our 1st rounders have developed into good players. Snow is also not the only GM who has come up with some talent in the later rounds of the draft. He gets no special accolades for a few late rounders that have made it to the NHL.

 

[TeamKidd]

So Snow has drafted well and let prospects develop. The thing that counts, the results he has failed miserably. Standings are facts and facts say he sucks.

Collecting kiddies when losing should never be praised. It's not an accomplishment.

thats a very easy stance to take. unfortunately reality is a bit more complicated than that.

 

[lazycop]

And while I'll say that Snow is far from being as bad as some make him out to be, Wang might just be one of the worst owners in all of sports, as far as being committed to put a good product out there. In that regard Snow's had his hands tied from the get-go.

 

[TeamKidd]

And it's not as like all of our 1st rounders have developed into good players. Snow is also not the only GM who has come up with some talent in the later rounds of the draft. He gets no special accolades for a few late rounders that have made it to the NHL.

you are twisting the argument here. I never said it was a special talent, i said it takes talent. and the original premise was that he was one of the worst GMS in sports, not that he should get special accolades...im not giving him special accolades, i just refuse to call him the worst GM in sports on the assumption hes going to get a ****** return for vanek and amac....cause hes the GM and we're the islanders...and we stink....and i like to complain about things that stink all day long....when i knew they stunk in the first place.

 

[MikeT98213]

you are twisting the argument here. I never said it was a special talent, i said it takes talent. and the original premise was that he was one of the worst GMS in sports, not that he should get special accolades...im not giving him special accolades, i just refuse to call him the worst GM in sports on the assumption hes going to get a ****** return for vanek and amac....cause hes the GM and we're the islanders...and we stink....and i like to complain about things that stink all day long....when i knew they stunk in the first place.

I don't regard him as the worst GM baed on an assumption of a poor return on a deal for Vanek. He may very well make a good deal although we probably won't know that for a few years. I evaluate him on results...meaning wins/losses, standings and playoff success. In those areas, his (abysmal) record speaks for itself.

 

[TeamKidd]

I don't regard him as the worst GM baed on an assumption of a poor return on a deal for Vanek. He may very well make a good deal although we probably won't know that for a few years. I evaluate him on results...meaning wins/losses, standings and playoff success. In those areas, his (abysmal) record speaks for itself.

hes not the only piece to that puzzle, ya know.

 

[bluechipbonzo]

Pretty obvious, but just re-watching the Leafs game and their announcer said how there were "lots of scouts in attendance" at last night's game...the wheels are in motion...go garf

 

[SI90]

A Writer for the Kings says Vanek is HIGHLY unlikely trade target and they are looking for Defense...

between so many available players and teams knowing Garth has to move Vanek, I wont be surprised if we get bent over on this one..

 

[Levi Walking Bear]

A Writer for the Kings says Vanek is HIGHLY unlikely trade target and they are looking for Defense...

between so many available players and teams knowing Garth has to move Vanek, I wont be surprised if we get bent over on this one..

San Jose was at Buffalo last night, the Sharks color man Drew Remenda thought that the Kings were more interested in Moulson since they would also have a very good chance to resign him.

 

[Jester9881]

Lets trade away all our young assets and picks for veterans so we can finish 8th year after year. Then after 5 or so years of not getting past the first round, we can start the process all over again.

That's is what you Snow bashers are calling for.

 

[SI90]

mayby with STL boosting up, SJ ANA and CHI look to add..

 

[stranger34]

San Jose was at Buffalo last night, the Sharks color man Drew Remenda thought that the Kings were more interested in Moulson since they would also have a very good chance to resign him.

this is why I think there's a chance Moulson nets even to Vanek.

 

[PWJunior]

San Jose was at Buffalo last night, the Sharks color man Drew Remenda thought that the Kings were more interested in Moulson since they would also have a very good chance to resign him.

There is just so much noise about this and that, everyone has an opinion including us. All that matters is that Snow is doing his job and is very secretive about it. I may question his decision making, but I think he is always very calculating in everything he does and sticks steadfastly to a plan. The provision on the 1st rounder shows that he knows how to cover his ass. I get the feeling that Snow does his due diligence in everything he does, except after the 2nd/3rd round in the Draft when some wackiness happens - likely the food coma after lunch.

I will wait until things happen and judge then. Vanek and AMac are getting interest, all of these comments to the media could be the truth or it could be posturing. St. Louis just launched the 1st big swing, others may follow suit in response. Snow is doing what he always does and that's to disclose almost nothing. When we do get something, it's always breadcrumbs.

 

[blitzkriegs]

NHL tonight stated Ehrhoff has given BUF a list of 8 teams he can't be traded to. I suggested a while back that he wasn't gonna want to stay there with the direct of the team and somewhat resulted in they can't move him or he's staying for cap reasons. I think Erhoff is gone now or at the draft.

Here's more...
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...ff-submits-eight-team-no-trade-list-to-sabres

This is right up Wang's alley. Nice cap hit on a contract that was front loaded. Isles attempted to sign him before flipping to BUF. Wonder if isles were on the list.

Take an asset from Amac/Vanek deal and flip for Ehrhoff.

 

[bstash19]

i want to start this off by saying that i am not the biggest garth fan. but i think more of his decisions are a result of charles cheapo wang. (to whom the isles were merely a real estate gamble)

it was wise to wait until girardi signed, and the blues made this deal, as these moves may change the number of teams involved, and the value of each player.
but now im hoping snow makes a move now, rather than have to take whatever offer is left.

yeah, the vanek trade didnt work out, but if we can recoup at least 60% of what we gave away, id be ok. you have to take the chance on vanek, the islanders needed to make a move to try to avoid the terrible novembers they have been known for.

but garth is hardly mad mike, and this trade is hardly the luongo/jokkinen for parrish/kvasha deal. so i think we need to relax a little.

lets see where the chips fall this week before we send out the lynch mob. if we can make a move with anaheim for one of their goalies, i would be more than happy with the end result of this trade.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

So Snow has drafted well and let prospects develop. The thing that counts, the results he has failed miserably. Standings are facts and facts say he sucks.

Collecting kiddies when losing should never be praised. It's not an accomplishment.

I think its accomplishment to actually draft well and shore up depth in organization. I agree with you in that this team needs to win, after last year and making playoffs they didn't improve anything within organization.

 

[YearlyLottery]

There is just so much noise about this and that, everyone has an opinion including us. All that matters is that Snow is doing his job and is very secretive about it. I may question his decision making, but I think he is always very calculating in everything he does and sticks steadfastly to a plan. The provision on the 1st rounder shows that he knows how to cover his ass. I get the feeling that Snow does his due diligence in everything he does, except after the 2nd/3rd round in the Draft when some wackiness happens - likely the food coma after lunch.

I will wait until things happen and judge then. Vanek and AMac are getting interest, all of these comments to the media could be the truth or it could be posturing. St. Louis just launched the 1st big swing, others may follow suit in response. Snow is doing what he always does and that's to disclose almost nothing. When we do get something, it's always breadcrumbs.

The organizations could also be telling these reporters to say these things to lower Vaneks trade value. Likely? No, but I want to be positive right now

 

[MikeT98213]

hes not the only piece to that puzzle, ya know.

Clearly.

 

[scott99]

Pretty obvious, but just re-watching the Leafs game and their announcer said how there were "lots of scouts in attendance" at last night's game...the wheels are in motion...go garf

That's bad news then, Vanek was terrible all game. Also don't forget, Toronto has some tradeable players as well.

 

[MikeT98213]

Lets trade away all our young assets and picks for veterans so we can finish 8th year after year. Then after 5 or so years of not getting past the first round, we can start the process all over again.

That's is what you Snow bashers are calling for.

That is absolutely not what this Snow basher is advocating. In fact, the Vanek trade was exactly what Snow should not have been doing. Acquiring Vanek should have only been accomplished if he either agreed to commit to a long term deal or if he was the piece needed for the Isles to contend for the Cup.

It's also already been well documented that I was completely opposed to the trade of Nino as he also fit the description of a developing young talent.

This Snow basher comes down hard for the fact that the team's record during his tenure has been simply horrible and, in spite of a few young players developing well, the team is still bottom 5 with no relief in sight.

 

[bluechipbonzo]

That's bad news then, Vanek was terrible all game. Also don't forget, Toronto has some tradeable players as well.

I was thinking that too...Vanek looked disinterested.

By the by, I noticed in today's pregram shot of the Isles dressing room that Lee had his own photo above his locker...I would say he's here to stay.

 

[scott99]

I was thinking that too...Vanek looked disinterested.

By the by, I noticed in today's pregram shot of the Isles dressing room that Lee had his own photo above his locker...I would say he's here to stay.

I'm a big Lee fan. I actually feel he could score 25+ goals a year in the NHL. Plus add feistyness and cause penalties because he's so hard to get out of the crease.

 

[Jester9881]

That is absolutely not what this Snow basher is advocating. In fact, the Vanek trade was exactly what Snow should not have been doing. Acquiring Vanek should have only been accomplished if he either agreed to commit to a long term deal or if he was the piece needed for the Isles to contend for the Cup.

It's also already been well documented that I was completely opposed to the trade of Nino as he also fit the description of a developing young talent.

This Snow basher comes down hard for the fact that the team's record during his tenure has been simply horrible and, in spite of a few young players developing well, the team is still bottom 5 with no relief in sight.

So what the hell do you guys want then?! You want good players but don't want to give anything for them. You want to draft well, but don't want to put the time and effort in to develop them. You want to rebuild, but don't want to lose in the process. You clearly just want to complain.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

Lets trade away all our young assets and picks for veterans so we can finish 8th year after year. Then after 5 or so years of not getting past the first round, we can start the process all over again.

That's is what you Snow bashers are calling for.

A majority of Snow bashers hated the Nino deal from day 1 as well as the Vanek deal. So not sure what you have been reading on here.

Losing brings tops picks which brings in quality prospects, I guess some view that as doing a good job.