Toggle sidebar

GDT: Official Trade Deadline Thread Part XXX

  • Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.

How did JG do on the Zucc trade?

  • Total voters
    285
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.
The chance Dallas re-signs Zucc is low is because of the condition. If the condition wasn’t there it would be much higher. Why would you sign someone to a relatively pricey deal that will also cost a 1st when you can just sign someone else and not lose the first. You could sign a lesser player and then still trade that first at the deadline later for something even better. And that is exactly why these types of conditional deals should not be permitted by the CBA.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Blue Blooded
OvermanKingGainer said:
We don't have a problem with a go for it trade.

But that go for it piece has to be a go for it piece like Mark Stone (or Panarin).

That is why Kevin Hayes would be a disappointing return for one of our D. Stone is a RHS, Hayes a LHS and we have a roster full of those. Stone is a franchise player, Hayes is at least a tier or two back of that status. And our roster is 2nd in the league, there is something to be said about ****ing up the chemistry on a team that could well win it all without any adds.
Click to expand...
IMO Hayes with his boy Gaudreau would produce at a much better level.

He's been playing with Vesey and Buchnevich... As a playmaking center he hasn't had much help. Vesey should have 30 goals by now. He misses open nets and quality scoring chances as if he has no thumbs

Stone is a great player but he might not re-sign in CGY. Hayes has a much better chance to re-sign with his best friend and cousin being there.
 
I love the deal. Go read last nights and today’s thread on rr2.0 see my take on it.
I agree with BBKers. Gorts is a smart hombre.
He knows what to do, it’s gonna be about them picking the right prospects, taking the right kids with the picks, signing/resigning/trading the right guys, and developing everyone. But they are gonna flood the organization with players to develop. My take
 
Last edited:
jas said:
Yeah, I had questions about that '5% chance of re-signing in Dallas' stat. Aside from the Rangers, Dallas could have quite a few things in their favor over the majority of the field.
Click to expand...
Hockey players are loyal to a fault. I wouldn't be shocked if Duchene re-upped in Columbus. I think they put a value on the known. If they fit in the room and like the area, the contract is a formality. The idea of committing 4 years to an unknown environment is a big deal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Trxjw and jas
duhmetreE said:
Yes, my point was he will be traded. Becuase #muhrebuild

If he's traded we're in for a decade-type rebuild. Not feeling it
Click to expand...
Perfectly acceptable stance I guess. I don't think the rebuild will hinge on anyone on this team at the moment... Chytil / Andersson maybe. They'll certainly be a part of it and if they both flame out, it gets longer prob.

Personally I don't think the presence or absence of Kreider changes anything except how bad we are next season, which I have said I want us to be as bad as poss
 
ericmgomes said:
Kreider has a solid foundation and runs like a well oiled machine. For his role as a power forward, and lucky for him, he is aging quite nicely because power forwards typically aren’t like Patrick Kaine and also 230 lbs. If I had to gamble, Kreider may be a more serviceable piece in his 5th year than Hayes with the way the game is predicated off of speed. He could last as long as Joe Thorton, though obviously not as skilled.
Click to expand...

Decline has nothing to do with the type of body a player has or the shape he maintains. It’s all about genetics and is entirely unpredictable. There are no trends to cite... for every player of one type that saw decline at one time, there’s another that kept going longer.
 
For the remaining roster I'd say:
  • Hayes/McQuaid definitely dealt
  • Names/Strome/Fast 30/70% traded vs not traded.
  • Shattenkirk may be the dark horse to be traded. Rangers retain 25 to 33% brings his cap hit down to about $4.5MM which is solid for what he would bring to a contender.
  • Kreider only gets moved if the Rangers get blown out of the water. If he doesn't get dealt I see the Rangers locking him up between now and start of next season.
  • Zbad will not get dealt.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Alexei Kovalev 27
duhmetreE said:
IMO Hayes with his boy Gaudreau would produce at a much better level.

He's been playing with Vesey and Buchnevich... As a playmaking center he hasn't had much help. Vesey should have 30 goals by now. He misses open nets and quality scoring chances as if he has no thumbs
Click to expand...

If the Flames do acquire Hayes it will be to take Jankowski's spot on the third line with Bennett and Czarnik to try and turn it into a second line. We won't touch the Gaudreau-Monahan or Tkachuk-Backlund pairings, however sensible it may seem.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Not to be a Debbie downer and obviously things can change but I’d wager that Dallas isn’t too keen on re-signing Zucc if they’re comfortable swapping a 3rd to a potential 1st

If the 3rd was going to turn into a 2nd rounder I would say they’re more confident in wanting to keep him long term
Click to expand...

Tampa sent over a 2nd just to resign Callahan.

A lot of times where there is a condition like this, it's because the team has a longer-term interest in the player.

I'm not going to say I have inside info, but a guy in one my fantasy leagues has a buddy in the Norwegian media--says Zucc is definitely not coming back to the rangers .

f*** off Webster.

Now need to see what happens with Hayes... I still think he should be kept if this is the kind of return that he pulls in (picks and no prospects)
 
  • Like
Reactions: ZuccsFluffierFluffer
Riche16 said:
Perfectly acceptable stance I guess. I don't think the rebuild will hinge on anyone on this team at the moment... Chytil / Andersson maybe. They'll certainly be a part of it and if they both flame out, it gets longer prob.

Personally I don't think the presence or absence of Kreider changes anything except how bad we are next season, which I have said I want us to be as bad as poss
Click to expand...
It means more than that IMO.

Zibs wont produce as much w/o Kreider
Zibs value drops because of that
Zibs gets tired of losing
Zibs is gone when he's a UFA

Might as well trade him with his value high..... now we have nothing
 
SA16 said:
The chance Dallas re-signs Zucc is low is because of the condition. If the condition wasn’t there it would be much higher. Why would you sign someone to a relatively pricey deal that will also cost a 1st when you can just sign someone else and not lose the first. You could sign a lesser player and then still trade that first at the deadline later for something even better. And that is exactly why these types of conditional deals should not be permitted by the CBA.
Click to expand...
I disagree. Skinny skinny. If Dallas somehow goes through the central, which is not that unreasonable, teams do it every year Ottawa most recently, the pick will be #27-28, Dallas is totally cool with it, it’s worth the pick then.
And if Dallas jells and gets rolling into the playoffs (which surely zucc would be a big part of) and wins some rounds the organization and fan base are rightfuly gonna believe they will be back in the same position next yr, and suddenly resigning Zucc and giving up another late 1st doesn’t seem so bad. Really smart trade by both gorton and nill. Potential to be win-win for both teams.
Also as stated by some on RR2.0, as things sit, Dallas’s 2nd is the highest of any team that was gonna trade for Zucc. So Gorts took a chance on 2 lotto tickets on the conditionals, but ensured the highest 2nd he could as migitation against the risk. Is that what they’d call it?
 
Last edited:
https://nypost.com/2019/02/23/rangers-need-to-avoid-awkward-chris-kreider-deadline-limbo/
The Rangers can begin negotiations on an extension for Kreider on July 1. Surely they must know by now whether they will commit to the five or six years at around $6.25 million it would probably take to keep the 27-year-old on Broadway long term. If not, then they may as well move him now, or at the entry draft in Vancouver.
Click to expand...
This is too on the nose. Is this a number floated by management? Get other teams thinking he's a bargain? Negotiating early with the Kreider camp? That's an easier number to say yes to for Gorton, no way Kreider's agent leaked it and killed his bargaining power.

We can guess where it originated but the "why" is the important part.
 
  • Like
Reactions: I Eat Crow
OvermanKingGainer said:
We don't have a problem with a go for it trade.

But that go for it piece has to be a go for it piece like Mark Stone (or Panarin).

That is why Kevin Hayes would be a disappointing return for one of our D. Stone is a RHS, Hayes a LHS and we have a roster full of those. Stone is a franchise player, Hayes is at least a tier or two back of that status. And our roster is 2nd in the league, there is something to be said about ****ing up the chemistry on a team that could well win it all without any adds.
Click to expand...

I think Hayes though has finally put it all together. Put him on a line with Gaudreau and he could put it into a whole other gear. Hes a piece that will be a key cog in a long playoff run and I think it wouldn't be too outlandish for him to resign there.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
For the remaining roster I'd say:
  • Hayes/McQuaid definitely dealt
  • Names/Strome/Fast 30/70% traded vs not traded.
  • Shattenkirk may be the dark horse to be traded. Rangers retain 25 to 33% brings his cap hit down to about $4.5MM which is solid for what he would bring to a contender.
  • Kreider only gets moved if the Rangers get blown out of the water. If he doesn't get dealt I see the Rangers locking him up between now and start of next season.
  • Zbad will not get dealt.
Click to expand...
PLEASE, GET IT DONE GORTS
 
  • Like
Reactions: warlockmb, Ola and The Crypto Guy
SA16 said:
The chance Dallas re-signs Zucc is low is because of the condition. If the condition wasn’t there it would be much higher. Why would you sign someone to a relatively pricey deal that will also cost a 1st when you can just sign someone else and not lose the first. You could sign a lesser player and then still trade that first at the deadline later for something even better. And that is exactly why these types of conditional deals should not be permitted by the CBA.
Click to expand...
Not really. All Zucc has to do is fit in well and produce well
San Jose had no problem giving up their 1st to re-sign Evander Kane. Don’t know why everyone thinks a team like Dallas that has pressure to do well won’t re-sign a character guy and a someone who can produce outside of Benn, Seguin, and Radulov. Chances aren’t extremely high but aren’t as low as many think. Dallas is desperate to do well because they’ve wasted their core over the past few years
 
  • Like
Reactions: JCProdigy, Ola, jas and 2 others
:razz:
duhmetreE said:
It means more than that IMO.

Zibs wont produce as much w/o Kreider
Zibs value drops because of that
Zibs gets tired of losing
Zibs is gone when he's a UFA

Might as well trade him with his value high..... now we have nothing
Click to expand...
Zib gets Captain, has chemistry with Kravtsov and the line becomes top-3 in the league... resigns in NY because he likes to spin record in the best clubs in the world during the offseason and gives the NYR a HUGE team friendly discount to stay with the bright lights in the big city.

See I can be hyperbolic and look into my crustal ball too
 
Riche16 said:
:razz:
Zib gets Captain, has chemistry with Kravtsov and the line becomes top-3 in the league... resigns in NY because he likes to spin record in the best clubs in the world during the offseason and gives the NYR a HUGE team friendly discount to stay with the bright lights in the big city.

See I can be hyperbolic and look into my crustal ball too
Click to expand...
Not hyperbolic but what will happen if Kreider gets moved.

but he will be re-signed this off-season
 
DutchShamrock said:
https://nypost.com/2019/02/23/rangers-need-to-avoid-awkward-chris-kreider-deadline-limbo/

This is too on the nose. Is this a number floated by management? Get other teams thinking he's a bargain? Negotiating early with the Kreider camp? That's an easier number to say yes to for Gorton, no way Kreider's agent leaked it and killed his bargaining power.

We can guess where it originated but the "why" is the important part.
Click to expand...
If 5 years, 6.25 million/year is Kreider's ask, I'd sign him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kovalev27, Mac n Gs, NYR Viper and 4 others
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom