GDT: Official Trade Deadline Thread Part XXX

[Ghost of jas]

Guys just to clarify some things. Prout won’t be part of any deal lol. There’s no rumours about it. He’s not a rebuilding piece to you, he’s not a cap dump to us, he’s a decent #7 dman and that is all. I also actually like Prout, when called upon this year he’s done exactly what’s been asked, but he wouldn’t be a piece included for you in a Hayes or Kreider deal.

Also in your opinions, who’s the better player, Kreider or Hayes?

Kreider, and he's also going to cost more, since he has term.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dallas has an 8% chance of wining 2 rounds according to some advanced stats guy on Twitter. My guess is there is a 1/20 (5%) chance that Zucc re-signs in Dallas.

Using conditional probability, the % chance for each return are the following:

2019 1st and 2020 1st
0.4%

2019 1st and 2020 3rd
7.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 1st
4.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 3rd
87.4%

You should probably readjust those odds.

 

[duhmetreE]

People that think we'll trade Kreider... we're entering black hole territory.. Might as well trade Zibanejad..

Let's just keep accumulating picks and prospects. People treating this as some Simulator or Fantasy Hockey

 

[DutchShamrock]

Unless Zucc goes on a complete tear with them and has amazing chemistry with certain players, I see no reason a team is throwing away their 2020 1st round pick. That pick could easily be a 12-18 pick(or even much better if Dallas turns into a dumper fire next season).

This is prospect skewed message board thinking. It's the problem here in general because it's a big echo chamber for overvaluing picks and unproven prospects. This doesn't account for owners salavating over playoff revenue and season ticket sales. Ads, luxury boxes. Missing a cash cow 9 out of 11 seasons isn't going to be forgiven because a 1st rounder in the future was saved. GMs put a whole lot less stock in a pick than fans here do. That's not to say they don't value it, but they aren't going to cling to it when the average tenure for a GM is so short Nill won't even be around for the NHL debut of their 2020 1st rounder.

That's also why Calgary fans would jeopardize their post season run to cling to a glut of defenseman. The ones coming over to chime in here think it's a problem that they only have 4 legit top 4s in the wings. Never mind they have a great NHL Corp and a logjam fitting all the young blood in. Calgary is going to deal a great d prospect because that is what they can afford to sacrifice. It's about the now, not setting up the 2026 Flames.

I mean, they said they would have an issue if the GM dealt a d prospect for Hayes. That's mental gymnastics to ignore the amazing, young team he assembled. How does one go for it trade using surplus negate the awesome trades and picks has made?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Dallas has an 8% chance of wining 2 rounds according to some advanced stats guy on Twitter. My guess is there is a 1/20 (5%) chance that Zucc re-signs in Dallas.

Using conditional probability, the % chance for each return are the following:

2019 1st and 2020 1st
0.4%

2019 1st and 2020 3rd
7.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 1st
4.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 3rd
87.4%

I'm a fan of advanced stats but the playoffs are an entirely different animal. The game changes. The game tightens up dramatically and a goalie can steal a series or even an entire playoff. Competition is better.

The data learned from the regular season doesnt full translate to what would happen in the playoffs.

 

[nyrage]

I had a bad case of the flu last night and I wanted to die. Then when I saw the Zucc return and I couldn't believe my day got worse. I think once again we became victims of high expectations.

I don't see any way Dallas wins 2 rounds. Dallas has a pretty good following. I could see the fans loving Zucc and Dallas potentially re-signing him despite the first round price. All has to go well over the next month or two. That organization is under pressure to succeed and now. We'll see. The more important question is where does Zucc want to live? Dallas is a far cry from NYC.

 

[Guyute]

You should probably readjust those odds.

Why?

Dallas is a tax haven and they have the Spezza and Methot contracts rolling off at the end of the year. As @BBKers said all along, Dallas has been after Zucc for a while. 5% is pretty conservative in my opinion.

 

[NernieBichols]

You know what. Somebody posted like a image of zucc’s brothers Instagram profile. And ummm, my spidey senses tell me, that’s you Webster. And that makes all of this Awesome. Fabian, if that is you, I think it was tremendous that you were here trolling and messing with everyone. If I were in your situation and my brother was a player, I’d be flaming a lot of these posters too. Lol. Much love for your brother. I’d love for him to come back. 2yrs 10-12 mill (full NMC). Allows the rangers to not have to protect him in the expansion draft and then assuming all going well and I think your ‘brother’ will play really well into his late 30s, he’s hockey magician, so after the expansion draft, he can sign another 2-3yr deal for maybe even more annual salary. Same token. If the stars really get something going and they make a run, sign with Dallas for 2 yrs and big salary with no state tax, and come back to the Rangers after the expansion draft when the rangers are ready to go for it again. Resign with Dallas, comes back as a one of those finishing pieces when the rangers are ready to go for it another. Become a folklore player in ranger history. ZUCCCCCCC

Have fun with Dallas this spring, FABIANNNN

 

[duhmetreE]

Maybe I have a mis-read on Zucc but he seems like a loyal guy. He will either re-sign with DAL or NY

 

[LORDE]

People that think we'll trade Kreider... we're entering black hole territory.. Might as well trade Zibanejad..

Let's just keep accumulating picks and prospects. People treating this as some Simulator or Fantasy Hockey

It's no secret that teamSSSSSS have been asking.

I don't think I've seen one poster on this board that thinks we SHOULD trade him, unless the return is fantastic. Yes he will be UFA after next season so IF we keep him we all realize he'll be dealt next TD

But no one is pushing him out the door. If a team comes with "The Godfather offer" he'll be dealt.

 

[Waivers]

Guys just to clarify some things. Prout won’t be part of any deal lol. There’s no rumours about it. He’s not a rebuilding piece to you, he’s not a cap dump to us, he’s a decent #7 dman and that is all. I also actually like Prout, when called upon this year he’s done exactly what’s been asked, but he wouldn’t be a piece included for you in a Hayes or Kreider deal.

Also in your opinions, who’s the better player, Kreider or Hayes?

Depends what your team’s need is.

Purple Hayes — 200 ft center, big, has very good puck handling abilities, nice hands, offensively gifted, lacks physicality for his size.

Kreider — 200 ft winger, big, speedy, explosive strength, speed kills in the NHL, can score, lacks physicality for his strength, goes missing from time to time.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's no secret that teamSSSSSS have been asking.

I don't think I've seen one poster on this board that thinks we SHOULD trade him, unless the return is fantastic. Yes he will be UFA after next season so IF we keep him we all realize he'll be dealt next TD

But no one is pushing him out the door. If a team comes with "The Godfather offer" he'll be dealt.

...... you proved my point. 'Trading him next TDL'..

He should be re-signed and kept. We cannot ice a team of teenagers/draft picks/prospects and expect to succeed any time soon. We need a veteran presence. I'm suspect of where this team is headed. We're on the path to become COL/EDM/BUF.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Dallas has an 8% chance of wining 2 rounds according to some advanced stats guy on Twitter. My guess is there is a 1/20 (5%) chance that Zucc re-signs in Dallas.

Using conditional probability, the % chance for each return are the following:

2019 1st and 2020 1st
0.4%

2019 1st and 2020 3rd
7.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 1st
4.6%

2019 2nd and 2020 3rd
87.4%

Zuccarello has a 1 in 20 chance of re-signing? Which 19 other teams will give him the money and term he wants? Who has the cap? Who has the lifestyle he would like? There is maybe 4 or 5 suitors for him this summer. The teams that can win and have the space to sign him are a select few. These posts are intentionally negative to serve a narrative.

 

[LORDE]

Depends what your team’s need is.

Purple Hayes — 200 ft center, big, has very good puck handling abilities, nice hands, offensively gifted, lacks physicality for his size.

Kreider — 200 ft winger, big, speedy, explosive strength, speed kills in the NHL, lacks physicality for his strength, goes missing from time to time.

Kreider a beast in front of the net on the PP

Hayes pass first, second and third type... shoots 4th

 

[NernieBichols]

Yeah this is going to be less than Dzingel unless a first is involved

Remember the Dzingel picks are 2020 and 2021. And the prospect was duclair. Columbus’s terms all the way. And people think Ottawa did better?

Edit: wow pages 3-5 at the very least. You guys should stop with the hot takes man.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Maybe I have a mis-read on Zucc but he seems like a loyal guy. He will either re-sign with DAL or NY

Yeah he seems loyal, but due to his summer game he puts on with Hank he has friends everywhere so I could see him going to a number of places. Although he clearly loves NY but I hope he stays in Dallas for our sake.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why?

Dallas is a tax haven and they have the Spezza and Methot contracts rolling off at the end of the year. As @BBKers said all along, Dallas has been after Zucc for a while. 5% is pretty conservative in my opinion.

Because I think there is a better than 1/20 shot that he stays.

Thats a number you just pulled out of thin air. I think everything that you stated increases the chances that he stays. Now there are a number of other factors that need to play out, but yeah.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Zuccarello has a 1 in 20 chance of re-signing? Which 19 other teams will give him the money and term he wants? Who has the cap? Who has the lifestyle he would like? There is maybe 4 or 5 suitors for him this summer. The teams that can win and have the space to sign him are a select few. These posts are intentionally negative to serve a narrative.

Yeah, I had questions about that '5% chance of re-signing in Dallas' stat. Aside from the Rangers, Dallas could have quite a few things in their favor over the majority of the field.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Remember the Dzingel picks are 2020 and 2021. And the prospect was duclair. Columbus’s terms all the way. And people think Ottawa did better? Base

And I wouldn't call Duclair a prospect either. Hes played 266 games (Wow!). Hes still just 23 but hes on his 5th NHL team. Bit of a red flag.

 

[LORDE]

...... you proved my point. 'Trading him next TDL'..

He should be re-signed and kept. We cannot ice a team of teenagers/draft picks/prospects and expect to succeed any time soon. We need a veteran presence. I'm suspect of where this team is headed.

I don't think I "proved" anything

He may be resigned and kept. We don't know. My point was no one here has said we must trade him now. Those that have stated as much were doing so with the caveat that the return is great or better than it would be next TD

 

[Ghost of jas]

Because I think there is a better than 1/20 shot that he stays.

Thats a number you just pulled out of thin air. I think everything that you stated increases the chances that he stays. Now there are a number of other factors that need to play out, but yeah.

Just another thought, Henke's brother played in Dallas, so I'm sure Zucc is and has been pumping him for info.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't think I "proved" anything

He may be resigned and kept. We don't know. My point was no one here has said we must trade him now. Those that have stated as much were doing so with the caveat that the return is great or better than it would be next TD

Yes, my point was he will be traded. Becuase #muhrebuild

If he's traded we're in for a decade-type rebuild. Not feeling it

 

[NernieBichols]

And I wouldn't call Duclair a prospect either. Hes played 266 games (Wow!). Hes still just 23 but hes on his 5th NHL team. Bit of a red flag.

That’s my point. The rangers didn’t want those pieces Man. Alot of the guys here are giving Gorts crap and meanwhile some of youse would have taken the crappy deal

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

This is prospect skewed message board thinking. It's the problem here in general because it's a big echo chamber for overvaluing picks and unproven prospects. This doesn't account for owners salavating over playoff revenue and season ticket sales. Ads, luxury boxes. Missing a cash cow 9 out of 11 seasons isn't going to be forgiven because a 1st rounder in the future was saved. GMs put a whole lot less stock in a pick than fans here do. That's not to say they don't value it, but they aren't going to cling to it when the average tenure for a GM is so short Nill won't even be around for the NHL debut of their 2020 1st rounder.

That's also why Calgary fans would jeopardize their post season run to cling to a glut of defenseman. The ones coming over to chime in here think it's a problem that they only have 4 legit top 4s in the wings. Never mind they have a great NHL Corp and a logjam fitting all the young blood in. Calgary is going to deal a great d prospect because that is what they can afford to sacrifice. It's about the now, not setting up the 2026 Flames.

I mean, they said they would have an issue if the GM dealt a d prospect for Hayes. That's mental gymnastics to ignore the amazing, young team he assembled. How does one go for it trade using surplus negate the awesome trades and picks has made?

We don't have a problem with a go for it trade.

But that go for it piece has to be a go for it piece like Mark Stone (or Panarin).

That is why Kevin Hayes would be a disappointing return for one of our D. Stone is a RHS, Hayes a LHS and we have a roster full of those. Stone is a franchise player, Hayes is at least a tier or two back of that status. And our roster is 2nd in the league, there is something to be said about ****ing up the chemistry on a team that could well win it all without any adds.

 

[Waivers]

Kreider has a solid foundation and runs like a well oiled machine. For his role as a power forward, and lucky for him, he is aging quite nicely because power forwards typically aren’t like Patrick Kaine and also 230 lbs. If I had to gamble, Kreider may be a more serviceable piece in his 5th year than Hayes with the way the game is predicated off of speed. He could last as long as Joe Thorton, though obviously not as skilled.