GDT: Official Trade Deadline 2025 Thread: Lets not Tuch our tails between our legs

[Rschmitz]

Highly doubtful we see him in a game before next season, but man, the competition in this lineup is going to be fierce once camp roles around if we re-sign Gourde. Basically one top 9 spot between Goncalves, Geekie, Howard, and Chaffee.

 

[Zwui21]

We probably should have done this. Oh well

 

[LightningStrikes]

Always wanted Jankowski. Oh well, too bad.

 

[Felonious Python]

I don't quite get the hesitancy in trading for depth. It would raise prices, I'm sure. If we're going for the cup, and a guy doesn't cost a first, or even a second, then what's the hold up? Go get your man.

It's basically this sketch.

 

[Zwui21]

I don't quite get the hesitancy in trading for depth. It would raise prices, I'm sure. If we're going for the cup, and a guy doesn't cost a first, or even a second, then what's the hold up? Go get your man.

It's basically this sketch.

Indeed, especially when the cost was a 5th.

At the same time I think JBB didn't want to go to crazy on depth having then to cut rookies that he probably wants to grow and have an even bigger impact next season (when IMO, will be the season where we'll truly be ALL IN)

 

[Felonious Python]

Indeed, especially when the cost was a 5th.

At the same time I think JBB didn't want to go to crazy on depth having then to cut rookies that he probably wants to grow and have an even bigger impact next season (when IMO, will be the season where we'll truly be ALL IN)

We can clean things up in the offseason. We don't know where Isaac Howard or Conor Geekie will really be, or what deals could happen at the draft.

 

[Rschmitz]

Jankowski has another year after this one too. Sure he’s cheap depth but at this point we have more than enough at forward.

Defense however, could use a boost

 

[bov]

Jankowski is on his 5th NHL team in the last 5 years and has spent time in the AHL for the past 3 seasons prior to this one. Nothing against the guy but I don't think he brings a lot to the table or helps add to the identity. If anything, we should have just kept Eyssimont and found a way for the $ to work.

 

[Sky04]

Eyssimont is not worth haggling over, if that's the player they wanted and got the deal done JBB doesn't need to spend time over it, its already an overpay no need to nickle and dime for a 4th liner.

 

[Stammertime91]

Jankowski is on his 5th NHL team in the last 5 years and has spent time in the AHL for the past 3 seasons prior to this one. Nothing against the guy but I don't think he brings a lot to the table or helps add to the identity. If anything, we should have just kept Eyssimont and found a way for the $ to work.

I think the bar is so low for our 4th line someone like him looks like an upgrade. He probably would've been. But... sit there and enjoy Zemgus.

 

[bov]

Eyssimont is not worth haggling over, if that's the player they wanted and got the deal done JBB doesn't need to spend time over it, its already an overpay no need to nickle and dime for a 4th liner.

True but it's ironic that we're now talking about a missing piece at the bottom of the lineup. Obviously a contract had to be moved, but in hindsight it would have been nice to somehow keep him in the mix with his improved recent play and overall energy. I think our lineup shows more balance and everything slots in a little bit better with him, vs Goncalves or a potentially revolving door of Atkinson/Geekie/Howard/Sheary etc.

 

[Stammertime91]

True but it's ironic that we're now talking about a missing piece at the bottom of the lineup. Obviously a contract had to be moved, but in hindsight it would have been nice to somehow keep him in the mix with his improved recent play and overall energy. I think our lineup shows more balance and everything slots in a little bit better with him, vs Goncalves or a potentially revolving door of Atkinson/Geekie/Howard/Sheary etc.

It's too many band aids and let's see what they can do kind of players down there.

Girgensons wasn't a bad signing, he's just a low impact, do nothing player 60 games in that shouldn't be a regular heading into playoffs. Goncalves is unproven. Different player but isn't battle tested in playoffs. Glendening is 50/50 but at least he does his job, can't really knock a 4C who wins faceoffs and PKs. Atkinson, Sheary, etc aren't NHL material.

It's a very disjointed bottom six. In the past, at least we knew what we had there and at the very top, so middle six was the issue. Now, our top 6 is virtually set, better depth in the middle 6 for sure, but the 4th and even Chaffee some nights is mediocre at best. And if our top line gets neutralized, we are counting on Hagel, Cirelli, Bjork, Gourde and Paul. Five good players but stacked against Florida and Toronto, that's difficult.

JBB needs to figure out with Coop if they are going to physically punish an opponent in 2025-2026 and go heavy, or punish them on scoring chances and go fast. Because there's a clash of styles and it's apparent there's no vision for it either. It's just a quick fix of who is better than who.

 

[Rschmitz]

True but it's ironic that we're now talking about a missing piece at the bottom of the lineup. Obviously a contract had to be moved, but in hindsight it would have been nice to somehow keep him in the mix with his improved recent play and overall energy. I think our lineup shows more balance and everything slots in a little bit better with him, vs Goncalves or a potentially revolving door of Atkinson/Geekie/Howard/Sheary etc.

I think talk of other players we could have acquired like Jankowski are just musings, we now have an overabundance of quality middle 6 guys. I would have also preferred that we keep Ace, but I think we are all in agreement it's not a big thing to get over.

I'm on record saying this is shit value, JBB wants to be the smartest guy in the room and is a pariah with respect to his willingness to give up premium pieces for non-premium players. He's a mad scientist, who looks a little less mad every time one of his decisions works out.

 

[bov]

I think talk of other players we could have acquired like Jankowski are just musings, we now have an overabundance of quality middle 6 guys. I would have also preferred that we keep Ace, but I think we are all in agreement it's not a big thing to get over.

I'm on record saying this is shit value, JBB wants to be the smartest guy in the room and is a pariah with respect to his willingness to give up premium pieces for non-premium players. He's a mad scientist, who looks a little less mad every time one of his decisions works out.

He'd look really smart if he reeled in a Luke Kunin type, I think it's just the fact there's still one spot in the lineup that isn't solidified, being Goncalves'. I think the top 9 would look much stronger if Chaffee went up to the 3rd with any two of Gourde/Paul/Bjorkstrand. Then find the best fit alongside Girgensons/Glendening, could even be someone like Brown. You need your 3rd line to handle some important, heavy minutes and that's where Gage doesn't seem like the right fit come playoff time.

I like JBBs boldness and don't have much of a problem with paying hefty prices, but I am starting to question his vision in terms of building a roster to win a cup. It seems like he kept trying for a Temu Yanni Gourde between Archibald, Sheary and Atkinson and now two are sitting in Syracuse, the other thankfully hung em up before he had the chance. Just redundant additions in the past few years. That said, he's a heck of a GM. I just hope he recognizes the weak spots if TB comes up short this season.

 

[Sky04]

If you want to talk about a GM with lack of vision there's no better example right now than Steve Yzerman and his mediocre Red Wings on pace for their 7th consecutive season without making the playoffs under his tenure and a roster construction that looks like some 12 year old started Be a GM mode.

JBB's constantly filling in holes as they come about, there is not a perfect team under the cap and he's the one who took advantage of Tampa's cap structure and capitalized on 3 straight cup finals. Yzerman does not make the Goodrow, Coleman, or Hagel trades.

At the end of the day there's only so much cap to work with and a team as top heavy as ours needs to scrape from the bottom like we have in recent years, if your only problem is a couple forwards in the bottom-6 then your GM has done an outstanding job. It's easy to play hindsight GM after trades have completed I imagine it's significantly more complicated behind the scenes with 31 other teams moving around as well.

 

[Rschmitz]

Yeah I think JBBs moves last summer should have removed any doubts that he has a solid short term plan. Before that I thought he may be a Jay Feaster clone and would just slowly allow a cup winning team to wither away.

When he dealt for McDonagh, it reminded me of when Feaster dealt for Prospal because that is all he knew, but trading Sergachev and signing Guentzel washed away that taint in my eyes. Those are gutsy moves, you don’t want a GM to be too passive, we are a significantly better team this year because of that.

 

[Stammertime91]

Yeah I think JBBs moves last summer should have removed any doubts that he has a solid short term plan. Before that I thought he may be a Jay Feaster clone and would just slowly allow a cup winning team to wither away.

When he dealt for McDonagh, it reminded me of when Feaster dealt for Prospal because that is all he knew, but trading Sergachev and signing Guentzel washed away that taint in my eyes. Those are gutsy moves, you don’t want a GM to be too passive, we are a significantly better team this year because of that.

*Moves left and right like a ghost*


.... you forgot about Tanner Jeannot