Player Discussion: official trade deadline 2025 // discussion thread

[CBJWerenski8]

I do wonder if tomorrow we see a lot of action around the league as far as trades/signings go.

I know there was a few extensions already announced and there wasn't any rules against doing business during the tournament, but with how much the country was paying attention to it, I wonder if everyone backed off and let the thing play out.

Curious to see if Nyquist rumor happens tomorrow as well as an Olivier extension.

 

[majormajor]

I do wonder if tomorrow we see a lot of action around the league as far as trades/signings go.

I know there was a few extensions already announced and there wasn't any rules against doing business during the tournament, but with how much the country was paying attention to it, I wonder if everyone backed off and let the thing play out.

Curious to see if Nyquist rumor happens tomorrow as well as an Olivier extension.

I would love that but also be very surprised.

 

[EspenK]

I believe that none of us have supported trading either of those prospects for Bjorkstrand.

If Bjorkstrand brings something to the CBJ that is needed to balance the roster and we can confidently expect him to extend then why wouldn't we? LDBB/Grindley are somewhat redundant to what the roster already has. Do we need to keep both?

 

[VT]

I believe that none of us have supported trading either of those prospects for Bjorkstrand.

IMHO someone could find.

 

[VT]

If Bjorkstrand brings something to the CBJ that is needed to balance the roster and we can confidently expect him to extend then why wouldn't we? LDBB/Grindley are somewhat redundant to what the roster already has. Do we need to keep both?

LDBB, Brindley, possibly Sillinger and Chinakhov (due to injuries) could be traded. But not for Bjorkstrand. Oliver is a closed chapter for us.

 

[Doggy]

not me.

if we’re obtaining a first in a provy deal, that first needs to be a 2026 first, max.

I don't know why people get so worked up with immediacy. When we waited years for Marchenko to jump to the NHL and people moaned about his perhaps extended stay in Russia. Right now...does anyone give two craps about the delayed gratification? He's here now and killing it...don't really remember missing him on the front end. First round picks are chips, if we end up with an extra 2027, when we get to 2026 that could be really valuable when looking to make a deal to bring in a TDL acquisition for our Cup run...and you will be happy to have it in our back pocket.

You say a Provy deal needs to be a for a 2026 first round pick. What if nobody offers us a 2025 or 2026 first rounder for him? Or what if someone offers a 2026 first round pick and someone else offers a 2027 first round pick plus a 2026 second or third? What do you do?

This is not a sprint...it's a marathon. I'd be fine with planning for the future. We already have three 1st rounders in the next two years, do we really need a fourth?

 

[Doggy]

WHY!?!

Why was Jones “unwilling to extend here”??

And you think Foligno was moved primarily because of money??

I am not even sure what you guys are arguing over. We all agree Jones chose not to re-sign because he wanted to win and thought the CBJ were far away from that and he believed Chicago was much closer. And it was his prerogative to not re-sign here. That said...Z did re-sign here and chose to be part of the solution rather than running away. It does say something about both their mindsets.

As for Foligno, Jarmo reacted to his decisions the year before when he chose to hold on to UFA stars at the TDL. He woke up after the playoffs and realized the opportunity cost was great. So the next year (or was it two years later) he moves out UFAs at the TDL for lots of extra draft capital. The four year run was fun but it yielded one playoff series win and an aging core. Moving Foligno and Savard were the right moves...we did not win with them in their primes and we weren't going to win with them as veteran support pieces. I doubt it was about the money, if we didn't move Foligno and Savard we would have looked like the current Pens minus the fading stars and Cups.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I do wonder if tomorrow we see a lot of action around the league as far as trades/signings go.

I know there was a few extensions already announced and there wasn't any rules against doing business during the tournament, but with how much the country was paying attention to it, I wonder if everyone backed off and let the thing play out.

Curious to see if Nyquist rumor happens tomorrow as well as an Olivier extension.

Perhaps??

 

[cbjthrowaway]

doubt philly has any interest in moving the player but it feels like waddell is going to go hunting for a star, and konecny's NTC doesn't kick in until this summer… would give up an absolute haul for him.

 

[stevo61]

doubt philly has any interest in moving the player but it feels like waddell is going to go hunting for a star, and konecny's NTC doesn't kick in until this summer… would give up an absolute haul for him.

Better ask him if he'd be happy in Columbus. Feel like I remember something about a former Flyer traded to Columbus before a NTC kicked in

 

[Ice9]

Unless something insanely good comes up either by addition or subtraction, (and I aint gonna speculate) I'd hold and see what shakes out between now and the 25-26 campaign.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Not terribly original, but at this stage, my preferred strategy moving forward is:

• Acquire Nyquist or similar player now.
• Re-sign Fabbro and Olivier.
• Trade Provorov at or close to the deadline. Bring up Hunt or Svozil until Gudbranson is back.
• Use the draft capital and players for upgrades in the off-season.
• Do everything humanly possible to get Gavrikov to sign with Columbus as a UFA.

 

[Youngguns1380]

At this stage, my preferred strategy moving forward is:

• Acquire Nyquist or similar player now.
• Re-sign Fabbro and Olivier.
• Trade Provorov at or close to the deadline. Bring up Hunt or Svozil until Gudbranson is back.
• Use the draft capital and players for upgrades in the off-season.
• Do everything humanly possible to get Gavrikov to sign with Columbus as a UFA.

Here is your flaw. We trade away Provorov and can’t attract another D in the top 4.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Here is your flaw. We trade away Provorov and can’t attract another D in the top 4.

Have Mateychuk and Severson played together to any significant degree? Further, we don't know how Hunt would look in the NHL. I don't know how Gudbranson would look alongside Mateychuk either. Sacrificing the long-term perspective because we don't have a nominal top 4 D (except Severson) to replace Provorov with right away still seems short-sighted to me.

 

[majormajor]

Not terribly original, but at this stage, my preferred strategy moving forward is:

• Acquire Nyquist or similar player now.
• Re-sign Fabbro and Olivier.
• Trade Provorov at or close to the deadline. Bring up Hunt or Svozil until Gudbranson is back.
• Use the draft capital and players for upgrades in the off-season.
• Do everything humanly possible to get Gavrikov to sign with Columbus as a UFA.

Pretty much my strategy as well.

And if we can't get Gavrikov to sign we have to be prepared to push our chips in on a major trade for a very good defender.

Have Mateychuk and Severson played together to any significant degree? Further, we don't know how Hunt would look in the NHL. I don't know how Gudbranson would look alongside Mateychuk either. Sacricing the long-term perspective because we don't have a nominal top 4 D (except Severson) to replace Provorov with right away still seems short-sighted to me.

Mateychuk and Provorov haven't been particularly good together. It's very possible that Mateychuk and Severson could be a better fit, certainly Mateychuk could be noticeably better next year after fine tuning some rough aspects of his game.

 

[Xoggz22]

Jones told the team he wasn't willing to extend here, so we traded him to the Blackhawks. (I'm sure it all sounds like an interesting possible conspiracy if you just choose to ignore widely known facts about the situation).

Meanwhile, Foligno was entering UFA and we got a 1st for him. And recently the Blackhawks paid him $4.5m x 2, a very rich amount for his play these days. That's it. They were willing to pay him more.

Hit the nail on the head. I would love if it Foligno would have come back after being moved but Chicago also paid to reach the cap floor and they had zero leadership for their young team. I'm sure the same could possibly said for Columbus, but I happen to think they had the room, not the coach or vision to get the development needed.

WHY!?!

Why was Jones “unwilling to extend here”??

And you think Foligno was moved primarily because of money??

I think Foligno was partly moved because they didn't want to extend him at a high cost and that regime had determined a new direction was needed. The assets returned were more important for a rebuild advancement than retaining Foligno on a sinking ship. Oddly, they are both in a worse spot than where they were in Columbus.

Jones asked out. He did not want to go through a rebuild. I don't think that is too difficult to understand given the state of the team when he asked. The writing was on the wall that the aging roster was going to be dismantled. It was a smart move for Columbus and continues to be a good one.

 

[Xoggz22]

Here is your flaw. We trade away Provorov and can’t attract another D in the top 4.

In theory, you technically wouldn't have to. If Mateychuk continues to improve I would not be surprised to see Z, Fabbro, Mateychuk and Severson as a top 4. Ideal? Maybe not, but it's not the worst fall back outcome. Even getting a top 4 capable player, then I would think something would likely need done with Severson. I don't think they move Guddy off his last year and neither is playing a 7th Dman in Columbus. Now you could keep Mateychuck on the bottom pair with Guddy and get another top 4, but the desire, in my opinion, would be RHD top 4. Certainly some options but I don't think thers is a lot of concern if another can't be brought in if Provorov is moved. Just my opinion

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Long Live Lyle]

Jones has to have negative value, right?

I’d be willing to try it for a mid-round pick if Chicago retains. Cap is rising significantly and we’re not close to it. Maybe he can regain that spark again with Z / in Cbus now that we’re just about post-rebuild. The actual cash paid to him will also be significantly less per year in the later seasons of the deal than it’s been so far, which is helpful to an organization like us.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Given how set Columbus were on acquiring Trouba, it doesn't seem all that unlikely.

I'd imagine Chicago would prefer some retention to get a bigger return, but that depends on how many interested teams that he's be willing to waive for. Teams like Dallas or Florida (though Is suspect they'd go hard after Dobson, if he's truly available) seem far likelier in that regard.

 

[majormajor]

Oh boy, here goes that discussion.

Supposedly he's been playing better in the last month or so - after Hawks fans boo'd him mercilessly.

The appeal of bringing back Jones isn't entirely lost on me. But we should be clear that the player we were just describing wanting on defense - a high end defender - is very far from Seth Jones. Jones might actually be a good step back from Fabbro defensively. I'd be kicking the tires on him.

 

[Xoggz22]

Not that it matters, but I honestly have zero interest in Seth Jones. That contract length, his declining skillset and spending assets on a player that isn't a difference maker feels like a step backwards. Unless Severson is going the other way AND there is retention (and why would the Hawks do that), I just don't see a reason to do a move like that. And I'm sure there is a case where the asset loss isn't that great, but I'd personally rather spend higher value assets on a difference maker (forward or defense).

 

[NotWendell]

Not terribly original, but at this stage, my preferred strategy moving forward is:

• Acquire Nyquist or similar player now.
• Re-sign Fabbro and Olivier.
• Trade Provorov at or close to the deadline. Bring up Hunt or Svozil until Gudbranson is back.
• Use the draft capital and players for upgrades in the off-season.
• Do everything humanly possible to get Gavrikov to sign with Columbus as a UFA.

Here's my preferred strategy: sign Fabbro, Oliver and Provorov. That's it. I do like the idea of recruiting Gavrikov, but I wouldn't want to depend on it.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Here's my preferred strategy: sign Fabbro, Oliver and Provorov. That's it. I do like the idea of recruiting Gavrikov, but I wouldn't want to depend on it.

That's where plan B comes in: package the draft capital with roster players for a significant defensive upgrade in the off-season instead.