Player Discussion: official trade deadline 2025 // discussion thread

[EDM]

I am all in on Bjorkstrand. Period. Do whatever we need to do to acquire him.

 

[Xoggz22]

Labanc, no chance. JVR? I wouldn't be so sure, he's been producing extremely well and is exactly the kinda guy we need around all the kids right now. If he's still interested in playing I could see us taking it year by year with him.

I don't disagree, but I think he's still on the short list of players to not be back. Now, if they happen to move some of the younger players or other players for an upgrade in the top 6, that makes it easier, but if the following group returns (with health, of course): Marchenko, Monahan, Voronkov, Fantilli, KJ, Jenner, Chinakhov, Sillinger... that's 8 of the top 9. Could LDBB also have played himself into a top 9 role next year? Again, I don't disagree that he could be back, but my opinion still stands that he is likely to be on the short list to not return without other movement being done. I simply don't see him on a line with the likes of Olivier, ZAR and whomever is the 4C or extra forward next year. Just my opinion, not my desire.

 

[majormajor]

I don't disagree, but I think he's still on the short list of players to not be back. Now, if they happen to move some of the younger players or other players for an upgrade in the top 6, that makes it easier, but if the following group returns (with health, of course): Marchenko, Monahan, Voronkov, Fantilli, KJ, Jenner, Chinakhov, Sillinger... that's 8 of the top 9. Could LDBB also have played himself into a top 9 role next year? Again, I don't disagree that he could be back, but my opinion still stands that he is likely to be on the short list to not return without other movement being done. I simply don't see him on a line with the likes of Olivier, ZAR and whomever is the 4C or extra forward next year. Just my opinion, not my desire.

That's why I wasn't keen on JVR last summer, but he's swayed me. We so often have a bunch of injuries higher up in the lineup. JVR is like the ideal smart player who can step in there for 40 games or so and you can rest him the rest of the time. Supposedly he ran out of gas for Boston last year, not an 82 game guy, but that's suitable for a 14F.

Meanwhile my boy Danforth and this year's beloved Olivier, for all the talk about them being guys who can play on any line - they're just not scoring nearly as much. You don't want KJ with them when a couple injuries hit. I hope we bring both back, I insist on it! But they're 4th liners.

I am all in on Bjorkstrand. Period. Do whatever we need to do to acquire him.

Seattle is targeting prospects that are ready to play or close to it.

His value in generic draft pick terms is perhaps, we'll say, the 18th pick OA. But they are less interested in picks and will try and sell to a club offering a prospect that is further along. So who do we have that is in that value range?

 

[EDM]

DBB and Culemann?

 

[majormajor]

DBB and Culemann?

Del Bel's play has likely put his value too high for that.

 

[Indy18]

Del Bel's play has likely put his value too high for that.

Would you risk the lotto ticket of Dumais on this?

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[majormajor]

Would you risk the lotto ticket of Dumais on this?

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Personally yes.

 

[CBJx614]

Would you risk the lotto ticket of Dumais on this?

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As much as I want Dumais to succeed, that's an easy yes for me. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I just don't think his game will translate.

The real question though, is that remotely enough?

 

[stevo61]

As much as I want Dumais to succeed, that's an easy yes for me. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but I just don't think his game will translate.

The real question though, is that remotely enough?

I wouldn't be completely shocked to see his game work vs soft offensive teams but vs Vegas/Carolina/etc it could be problematic for sure

 

[Jovavic]

Dumais will be like Davidsson and Abramov: a small piece used to get a bigger fish that doesn't amount to much of anything with their new teams

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Dumais will be like Davidsson and Abramov: a small piece used to get a bigger fish that doesn't amount to much of anything with their new teams

Only problem is dumais is damaged goods with a character blemish. The jackets are going to be the ones responsible for rehabilitating his value, because he probably doesn’t have much right now.

 

[EDM]

Available options for Bjorstrand:

forwards- DBB, Dumais, Brindley, Maleesta, TFW
Defensemen- Ceulemanns, Szovil,

I think if we offered Brindley we would get BJorkstrand, Do we offere
Brindley?

 

[Youngguns1380]

Available options for Bjorstrand:

forwards- DBB, Dumais, Brindley, Maleesta, TFW
Defensemen- Ceulemanns, Szovil,

I think if we offered Brindley we would get BJorkstrand, Do we offere
Brindley?

No

 

[CBJx614]

Available options for Bjorstrand:

forwards- DBB, Dumais, Brindley, Maleesta, TFW
Defensemen- Ceulemanns, Szovil,

I think if we offered Brindley we would get BJorkstrand, Do we offere
Brindley?

No.

LDBB and Brindley don't belong on that list imo. I get you have to give to get, but I'm not trading either LDBB or Brindley unless it's for a long term core piece. I love OBJ, but I'm not paying that much for him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I like Bjorkstrand and I’m not opposed to bringing him back but I don’t really feel like we should be bending over backwards to get him.

I’d offer the Minnesota pick and a C tier prospect like Knazko or something.

 

[Napoli]

Only problem is dumais is damaged goods with a character blemish. The jackets are going to be the ones responsible for rehabilitating his value, because he probably doesn’t have much right now.

He's only "damaged goods" until he's not. The kid has produced incredibly everywhere he's gone and he already has 4 points in 5 games in the AHL. Let's see how that progresses as all his issues in his past can be left in the past with a great end to the season.

I believe once he proves definitively that the injury isnt hampering him, the hype will return.

 

[majormajor]

Available options for Bjorstrand:

forwards- DBB, Dumais, Brindley, Maleesta, TFW
Defensemen- Ceulemanns, Szovil,

I think if we offered Brindley we would get BJorkstrand, Do we offere
Brindley?

Brindley and LDBB are a little too high value in my book.

Malatesta and Svozil are both kind of close to NHL ready, and I could see Seattle having some interest there. I'll add Daemon Hunt, from all descriptions, seems very close to ready.

So those players, either in combination with each other or with a 2nd rounder or something might get it done.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

my ideal deadline is something like:

1. adding a rental wing at a low cost
2. using the MIN 1st to add a bona fide top six forward with at least 2 (but ideally 3+) years of term remaining.
3. making a decision on provorov (ideally signing him to a short-term, orlov-style extension – if that can't be reached, trading him and finding a replacement defenseman)

for #1, the most obvious candidate is nyquist. would also have a lot of interest in nick bjugstad, but he likely works better as a free agent target this summer.

for #2, i'd be looking at names like:

• jared mccann
• jordan kyrou
• pavel zacha
• alex tuch
• oliver bjorkstrand

caveat on the last two guys there being that they only have two years left rather than 3+. mccann is my personal top target given that he's apparently available and has a really friendly contract, but STL is definitely out of it and kyrou's NTC doesn't kick in until this summer. seems like a perfect don waddell target – a highly-skilled rush creator with term and star power.

 

[majormajor]

my ideal deadline is something like:

1. adding a rental wing at a low cost
2. using the MIN 1st to add a bona fide top six forward with at least 2 (but ideally 3+) years of term remaining.
3. making a decision on provorov (ideally signing him to a short-term, orlov-style extension – if that can't be reached, trading him and finding a replacement defenseman)

for #1, the most obvious candidate is nyquist. would also have a lot of interest in nick bjugstad, but he likely works better as a free agent target this summer.

for #2, i'd be looking at names like:

• jared mccann
• jordan kyrou
• pavel zacha
• alex tuch
• oliver bjorkstrand

caveat on the last two guys there being that they only have two years left rather than 3+. mccann is my personal top target given that he's apparently available and has a really friendly contract, but STL is definitely out of it and kyrou's NTC doesn't kick in until this summer. seems like a perfect don waddell target – a highly-skilled rush creator with term and star power.

The rap on Kyrou is that he's absolutely lost when it comes to defense and turnovers.

Why would this be a player we target? We have top of the line forwards and first PP players already. You go for another if he has a special quality that we can use. I think Tuch would have a lot to offer.

 

[Youngguns1380]

my ideal deadline is something like:

1. adding a rental wing at a low cost
2. using the MIN 1st to add a bona fide top six forward with at least 2 (but ideally 3+) years of term remaining.
3. making a decision on provorov (ideally signing him to a short-term, orlov-style extension – if that can't be reached, trading him and finding a replacement defenseman)

for #1, the most obvious candidate is nyquist. would also have a lot of interest in nick bjugstad, but he likely works better as a free agent target this summer.

for #2, i'd be looking at names like:

• jared mccann
• jordan kyrou
• pavel zacha
• alex tuch
• oliver bjorkstrand

caveat on the last two guys there being that they only have two years left rather than 3+. mccann is my personal top target given that he's apparently available and has a really friendly contract, but STL is definitely out of it and kyrou's NTC doesn't kick in until this summer. seems like a perfect don waddell target – a highly-skilled rush creator with term and star power.

I would like Mccann but have no idea what it would cost.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

The rap on Kyrou is that he's absolutely lost when it comes to defense and turnovers.

Why would this be a player we target? We have top of the line forwards and first PP players already. You go for another if he has a special quality that we can use. I think Tuch would have a lot to offer.

the short answer is that the "rap" on kyrou doesn't align well with the reality of his on-ice impact.

the medium answer is that we have exactly two "top of the line" forwards (monahan + marchenko), both of whom are currently injured, and one of those is long-term.

the long answer is that he has genuinely put up good defensive results this season on a bad team. he's a +10 on a team with a -17 goal differential. so he's not a power play merchant or defensive liability. and the underlying stats support that, too:

assuming that the rebuttal here is "but rob thomas is good defensively, maybe that's inflating his defensive metrics" – thomas's defensive rating is currently a 0 (98th percentile difficulty with 22nd percentile results) whereas kyrou is in the top 25% in both impact and difficulty.

on top of that, he's an absurdly talented player in transition and is offensively is a triple shoot/pass/carry threat. he's also right handed (a nice bonus) and, with the cap going up, is cost-controlled.

we've recently butted heads on two other players:

1. elias pettersson – i said he's primed for upward regression to the form he showed for 5+ years, you said this is his new normal
2. dmitry voronkov – i said there are things in his game that point to potential downward regression, you said that you trust that he'll be able to sustain this play long-term

in both of those instances, you trusted the current numbers over historical reputation/data samples. in this instance, we're talking about a player who has a track record of elite scoring and recent results that indicate an upward trajectory. this should be a player we fully agree on!

at 26, he fits the werenski/marchenko prime window, and adding him would improve the upside and stability of the top six group, allowing them to spend the summer pursuing guys for the bottom six who are built to play a matchup game.

in other words: he freaking rules, man.

 

[majormajor]

the short answer is that the "rap" on kyrou doesn't align well with the reality of his on-ice impact.

the medium answer is that we have exactly two "top of the line" forwards (monahan + marchenko), both of whom are currently injured, and one of those is long-term.

the long answer is that he has genuinely put up good defensive results this season on a bad team. he's a +10 on a team with a -17 goal differential. so he's not a power play merchant or defensive liability. and the underlying stats support that, too:

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assuming that the rebuttal here is "but rob thomas is good defensively, maybe that's inflating his defensive metrics" – thomas's defensive rating is currently a 0 (98th percentile difficulty with 22nd percentile results) whereas kyrou is in the top 25% in both impact and difficulty.

on top of that, he's an absurdly talented player in transition and is offensively is a triple shoot/pass/carry threat. he's also right handed (a nice bonus) and, with the cap going up, is cost-controlled.

we've recently butted heads on two other players:

1. elias pettersson – i said he's primed for upward regression to the form he showed for 5+ years, you said this is his new normal
2. dmitry voronkov – i said there are things in his game that point to potential downward regression, you said that you trust that he'll be able to sustain this play long-term

in both of those instances, you trusted the current numbers over historical reputation/data samples. in this instance, we're talking about a player who has a track record of elite scoring and recent results that indicate an upward trajectory. this should be a player we fully agree on!

at 26, he fits the werenski/marchenko prime window, and adding him would improve the upside and stability of the top six group, allowing them to spend the summer pursuing guys for the bottom six who are built to play a matchup game.

in other words: he freaking rules, man.

Oh I'm willing to get more eager to acquire Kyrou if I can be persuaded that he's developed the defensive side of his game. I'd like to hear that from Blues fans who watch him.

I still don't feel like it's a priority for us - we need to invest in a big D upgrade. Fantilli, Marchenko, Monahan, Voronkov, Chinakhov, KJ, I'm liking our top end forwards quite a lot.

I'd like to make our bigger acquisition an Ekholm type of trade for the D, and add a 2nd line type forward that can play up and down the lineup and won't cost that much.

 

[Xoggz22]

Would you risk the lotto ticket of Dumais on this?

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Easily, but I've not been a big fan of Dumais' potential. He may be more than TFW, and I hope he is, but I would easily include him in a trade for an upgrade to the roster.

Available options for Bjorstrand:

forwards- DBB, Dumais, Brindley, Maleesta, TFW
Defensemen- Ceulemanns, Szovil,

I think if we offered Brindley we would get BJorkstrand, Do we offer
Brindley?

Brindley does not belong on that list. Likely DBB doesn't either.

 

[Rockenator]

If the Jackets are actually targeting Mittelstadt I could see him doing really well for you guys. The Avs are simply too reliant on speed, speed and more speed - they are basically playing in such a way that it suppresses his strengths and highlights his weaknesses.

Regular season "Ice Capades Hockey? - True. Playoff time when everything slows down and every inch of ice is fought for? - Mittelstadt will do much better.