Official Tank Thread

[Twisted Sinister]

Upgrade Newhook in the top 6. Upgrade Newhook on the top pair, and that's a start.

I think Demidov will be ready for the top 6 next year. We'll see about Reinbacher. We'll see what Hughes can do on the trade front and in free agency. We'll have the cap space. But so will most teams, with the cap going up.

I never understood why we got Newhook in the first place, other than than the Quartexx nepotism. Of all our moves, this is the one that made the least sense. Have a small team trade for a small, weak player with a B+ ceiling. How was this supposed to help us in the long-run?

 

[McGees]

Hughes taking charge of the tank like...

 

[26Mats]

I never understood why we got Newhook in the first place, other than than the Quartexx nepotism. Of all our moves, this is the one that made the least sense. Have a small team trade for a small, weak player with a B+ ceiling. How was this supposed to help us in the long-run?

I just hope he can find a role in the bottom six starting next year... it's up to him to find one, whether at C or on the wing...

 

[SwiftyHab]

Hello darkness my old thread

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I never understood why we got Newhook in the first place, other than than the Quartexx nepotism. Of all our moves, this is the one that made the least sense. Have a small team trade for a small, weak player with a B+ ceiling. How was this supposed to help us in the long-run?

Since they're all cronies, they should go ahead and rename the agency as Quartet.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I never understood why we got Newhook in the first place, other than than the Quartexx nepotism. Of all our moves, this is the one that made the least sense. Have a small team trade for a small, weak player with a B+ ceiling. How was this supposed to help us in the long-run?

Pretty simple, they saw an opportunity to get a young player they felt could hit a higher potential getting more opportunities here than down the line-up in Colorado.. and Newhook brought a speed element that was lacking, and still is lacking, in the forward group.

It was a calculated play that even if he didn't hit a top 6 upside, they got cost certainty over a late first and a 2nd round pick, in an already deep pool and well stocked pick cupboard, and we will see the most likely outcome which is Newhook developing into a 3rd liner with speed, so a new age Paul Byron with better finishing ability.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Pretty simple, they saw an opportunity to get a young player they felt could hit a higher potential getting more opportunities here than down the line-up in Colorado.. and Newhook brought a speed element that was lacking, and still is lacking, in the forward group.

It was a calculated play that even if he didn't hit a top 6 upside, they got cost certainty over a late first and a 2nd round pick, in an already deep pool and well stocked pick cupboard, and we will see the most likely outcome which is Newhook developing into a 3rd liner with speed, so a new age Paul Byron with better finishing ability.

It was a worthy gamble. I’m totally fine with mgmt taking those kinds of risks. Not all of them are going to pan out. That doesn’t mean you should stop making those kinds of trades.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It was a worthy gamble. I’m totally fine with mgmt taking those kinds of risks. Not all of them are going to pan out. That doesn’t mean you should stop making those kinds of trades.

Exactly and I'm not sure why it's a hard concept to grasp for some. Don't forget the times here when the board wanted Newhook over Caufield because Newhook had a better WJC.

 

[26Mats]

Pretty simple, they saw an opportunity to get a young player they felt could hit a higher potential getting more opportunities here than down the line-up in Colorado.. and Newhook brought a speed element that was lacking, and still is lacking, in the forward group.

It was a calculated play that even if he didn't hit a top 6 upside, they got cost certainty over a late first and a 2nd round pick, in an already deep pool and well stocked pick cupboard, and we will see the most likely outcome which is Newhook developing into a 3rd liner with speed, so a new age Paul Byron with better finishing ability.

I would be happy at this point if Newhook could develop into a Byron. But at this point it doesn't look like he'll become Byron. Byron could change a game by taking off on breakaways and getting a key goal. And so far I like Byron better defensively.

BUT, hopefully Newhook can be find his ro lo e in the bottom six. Maybe he'll take over for Dvo at C next year. He was good with Armia and Gally/Roy last year. I would have liked to have seen that trio reunited while Heineman is out. Put Evan's between Laine and Dach.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

 

[River Meadow]

I never understood why we got Newhook in the first place, other than than the Quartexx nepotism. Of all our moves, this is the one that made the least sense. Have a small team trade for a small, weak player with a B+ ceiling. How was this supposed to help us in the long-run?

They thought he was better than he is, with his speed and all.

He isn't.

 

[ReHabs]

Thinking a friend, colleague, family member, or AGENCY CLIENT is qualified for something and giving that position to him is also known as nepotism.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They thought he was better than he is, with his speed and all.

He isn't.

What they probably thought was they were getting a middle 6F who stands to improve as he approaches his prime. He is after all on a bridge contract but we have him with Dach in a top 6 role. Flawed strategy

Let both Dach and Newhook finish their bridge. That's why they are on a bridge. To find out how good they are.

 

[Colezuki]

Thinking a friend, colleague, family member, or AGENCY CLIENT is qualified for something and giving that position to him is also known as nepotism.

Thinking of a kid you scouted for the better of 6-8 years and know the character of is not nepotism, nepotism is giving a role to an unqualified player.

Nepotism would be giving a role to Hughes' son already who has no business being in the NHL. This is just an example of a GM trading for a player he thinks is undervalued. Or are you suggesting the Newhook shouldn't be playing in the NHL whatsoever?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yeah, I’m thinking we’re back

 

[ReHabs]

Thinking of a kid you scouted for the better of 6-8 years and know the character of is not nepotism, nepotism is giving a role to an unqualified player.

Nepotism would be giving a role to Hughes' son already who has no business being in the NHL. This is just an example of a GM trading for a player he thinks is undervalued. Or are you suggesting the Newhook shouldn't be playing in the NHL whatsoever?

I think the Habs overpaid to acquire Newhook -- valuable-enough trade assets that could've been used to acquire another player. It was either a mistake, or simple incompetence, or nepotism. Take your pick.

Newhook has not at any point been worth the outlay. Thankfully his caphit is low and he's got wheels -- hopefully he can be converted to a PKer but he's not one yet, he's just a very very very bad 2nd liner right now.

 

[River Meadow]

Yeah, I’m thinking we’re back

Habs players be all like:

 

[MasterD]

Evaluation year. We knew it would be inconsistent. But it's weird how we've been inconsistent for weeks at a time.

Dvorak is gone. Gallagher is not. But it doesn't matter. Team is going to continue to transition.

I have zero issues with us selling this year but sell what? I mean most of the stuff we want to sell isn't going to garner much. Matheson will be a good piece but I can't see us doing that until next year. Dvorak has zero value. Armia has little value.

Do we want to trade Evans? I don't. But if he wants too much we may not have a choice. One thing I think we discovered is that Heineman was a pretty valuable player. He was pacing for 20 goals in his rookie season and since he left, Evans' scoring has dried up and the team stopped winning. He was giving us some really good depth scoring.

We could trade Laine...

It's not about selling to get better pieces. It's about selling to get rid of them. Give them away. Give a 3rd or 4th pick, doesn't matter. Addition by substraction

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's not about selling to get better pieces. It's about selling to get rid of them. Give them away. Give a 3rd or 4th pick, doesn't matter. Addition by substraction

Yeah and these guys will be gone. We’re slowly but surely transitioning away.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

I think the Habs overpaid to acquire Newhook -- valuable-enough trade assets that could've been used to acquire another player. It was either a mistake, or simple incompetence, or nepotism. Take your pick.

Newhook has not at any point been worth the outlay. Thankfully his caphit is low and he's got wheels -- hopefully he can be converted to a PKer but he's not one yet, he's just a very very very bad 2nd liner right now.

Newhook was a foxhole move. Reeks of Bergevinism.

 

[overlords]

 

[ReHabs]

It's not about selling to get better pieces. It's about selling to get rid of them. Give them away. Give a 3rd or 4th pick, doesn't matter. Addition by substraction

I wrote elsewhere that I don’t think they’ll make too many moves. There is already a lot of turnover coming up, I think HuGo would defer from making too many changes to the characters on the team.

Of a roster of 23, we will see:

UFAs: 4
Dvorak
Armia
Evans
Savard

Players who aren’t making a good account of themselves as NHLers: 2
Pezz
Struble

Players who aren’t making a good account of themselves as “part of the core”: 4
Xhekaj
Newhook
Dach
Matheson

That’s already 10 of 23, not counting Anderson and Gallagher, who could be churned or swapped or moved.

This is going to be an exciting summer but Hughes will likely want to not make changes that are more disruptive than they are beneficial to the strength of the roster.

 

[MasterD]

I wrote elsewhere that I don’t think they’ll make too many moves. There is already a lot of turnover coming up, I think HuGo would defer from making too many changes to the characters on the team.

Of a roster of 23, we will see:

UFAs: 4
Dvorak
Armia
Evans
Savard

Players who aren’t making a good account of themselves as NHLers: 2
Pezz
Struble

Players who aren’t making a good account of themselves as “part of the core”: 4
Xhekaj
Newhook
Dach
Matheson

That’s already 10 of 23, not counting Anderson and Gallagher, who could be churned or swapped or moved.

This is going to be an exciting summer but Hughes will likely want to not make changes that are more disruptive than they are beneficial to the strength of the roster.

I agree overall, but I don't think "Players who aren’t making a good account of themselves as “part of the core”:" is really an issue. Not being a part of the core doesn't mean you need to go. A team's core is, what, 3 to 5 players? You can have solid, non-core players around them and not have to move them.

I'm fine with Dach and Newhook, but they're in the wrong chairs. Dach is probably a 2nd line RW, as shown when he played with Caufield and Suzuki 2 years ago, and Newhook is a Paul Byron type.

Matheson, well, he really needs a stable stay-at-home RD with him. Peak potential Reinbacher is what he needs, but he needs it today.

 

[Erika]

Pretty simple, they saw an opportunity to get a young player they felt could hit a higher potential getting more opportunities here than down the line-up in Colorado.. and Newhook brought a speed element that was lacking, and still is lacking, in the forward group.

It was a calculated play that even if he didn't hit a top 6 upside, they got cost certainty over a late first and a 2nd round pick, in an already deep pool and well stocked pick cupboard, and we will see the most likely outcome which is Newhook developing into a 3rd liner with speed, so a new age Paul Byron with better finishing ability.

But yet, it turns out that Newhook is just a worst version of Christopher Higgins.
Remember Higgins was a 3rd liner with stone hands on a good team at best/maybe border line 2nd liner on very bad teams... Newhook is one of the worst KH/JG acquisition imo.

I can't see Newhook in a bottom 6 role on most good teams as he's not physical enough and his defensive play is quite bad. Maybe in the 13th forward role, but he doesn't bring anything valuable except his speed. He should be dealt asap before he loses his value if he still has any.

 

[HabsCode]

Who roots for a loss tonight? Are we there yet?