Generally I listen to the podcast of the first hour on spotify on my way to work in the mornings. Sometimes if there's a subject I want to hear more about or a guest, I'll listen to that too later on (I listen to most of Jaffe's weekly interviews). I really feel like Fred's just playing the alpha dog. Hardy came in with his name in the show title and expected to be a 50% co-host like Rich, but Fred's continued to treat it like the Fred Toucher show with Hardy and Wallach as his stooges, so he's been pretty obviously shitting all over any segments Hardy is trying to run lead on as if to say back off.
It's childish, but honestly, I'd rather listen to a Fred Toucher led show than Hardy's boring shit anyway.