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Mike Carr said:
with the team you list - current team - we have Fraser, Nolan, Vey and Andreoff - we can only keep two as all would hit waivers - Fraser will be gone. Hard choice on the others - we are going to lose one - good chance Nolan - maybe we trade Vey, Nolan and picks for something/someone?
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Checking capgeek I show both Vey and Andreoff both being exempt from wavers next year.
I rechecked and miss a check box. I thought that seemed strange.
 
tsanuri said:
Checking capgeek I show both Vey and Andreoff both being exempt from wavers next year.
I rechecked and miss a check box. I thought that seemed strange.
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You may want to check the values you entered on Capgeek. Keep in mind that the Yes/No option for *professional* games means NHL, AHL, or even ECHL games.

Both players signed their first pro contract at age 20 during the 2011-2012 season. CBA says they're waiver exempt until either 3 years have passed or they play in 160 NHL games, whichever occurs first. That means the 2013-2014 season was the last year they were waiver exempt.

Even using Capgeek:

Vey played 18 NHL games in 2013-2014 and he played professional games after signing his contract on 5/22/2011 -- playing 74 regular and 5 playoff games for Manchester.

Andreoff played 0 NHL games, but played in 5 regular season and 4 playoff games for Manchester in 2011-2012. He signed his contract on 10/13/2011 then made his debut with Manchester on 4/6/2012 so you have to select "Yes" for the professional games as well.

That makes both players not exempt from waivers.
 
Going back to Toronto, what do you guys think about Gleason as a replacement of Mitchel?
Maybe something around King or Nolon?

He can pair up with Voynov, because Gleason is a left hander
 
Tatsdzyuk said:
Going back to Toronto, what do you guys think about Gleason as a replacement of Mitchel?
Maybe something around King or Nolon?

He can pair up with Voynov, because Gleason is a left hander
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I would love Gleason. Always have and probably always will. But at this juncture, I'd take Mitchell@2M than Gleason@4M.
 
Updated everything. Money, Ages, Draft Picks, Prospects, Contracts, etc... Only thing I don't have is Gravel's contract information, otherwise everything should be on the mark. Let me know if you find an error. Onto the draft and our Stanley Cup winning congratulations! WOOOHOOO GO KINGS GO!
 
Leafs fan, congrats on the championship
what a great team to watch and wish more teams were built similarly
crazy to think this team could be together for years to come
hope they keep their competitiveness in lala land
 
A big benefit to re-signing Mitchell is that he very likely would take a one year deal where as signing or trading for a veteran wouldn't give the Kings that luxury.

If Mitchell signs a one year deal for 2014/2015 it gives the Kings a cup winning veteran for the bottom pair who has proven he can play well in big games and it's not another contract for 2015/2016 which is a huge bonus.

If Mitchell for some reason wants a multi-year deal the Kings could then possibly look at re-signing Greene for one year, although Greene at 31 may not be as likely to take a one year deal as 37 year old Mitchell would.
 
Herby said:
A big benefit to re-signing Mitchell is that he very likely would take a one year deal where as signing or trading for a veteran wouldn't give the Kings that luxury.

If Mitchell signs a one year deal for 2014/2015 it gives the Kings a cup winning veteran for the bottom pair who has proven he can play well in big games and it's not another contract for 2015/2016 which is a huge bonus.

If Mitchell for some reason wants a multi-year deal the Kings could then possibly look at re-signing Greene for one year, although Greene at 31 may not be as likely to take a one year deal as 37 year old Mitchell would.
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Other thing with Mitchell and a one year deal is it could have bonuses in it. Giving us even more cap flexibility.
 
so looking at that updated - we need to get Gabby (6m) King (1.5m) Mitchell (3m) (MCnabb 1m) "Replacing Shultz (Andreoff 850k) replacing Fraser
leaves us about 800k for somebody over Green (so another kid)
so unfortunately if we can keep Gabby and King looks like definitely only the chance of one of Green or Mitchell - such a shame after how they played in the playoffs.
so looks like we lose a player this year and no room to add anybody - and next year will be even tougher (Muzzin , Martinez , Toffoli, Pearson etc will want bigish raises)
going to be hard for Dean - would love him to pull a few magic contract deals off
 
Mike Carr said:
so looking at that updated - we need to get Gabby (6m) King (1.5m) Mitchell (3m) (MCnabb 1m) "Replacing Shultz (Andreoff 850k) replacing Fraser
leaves us about 800k for somebody over Green (so another kid)
so unfortunately if we can keep Gabby and King looks like definitely only the chance of one of Green or Mitchell - such a shame after how they played in the playoffs.
so looks like we lose a player this year and no room to add anybody - and next year will be even tougher (Muzzin , Martinez , Toffoli, Pearson etc will want bigish raises)
going to be hard for Dean - would love him to pull a few magic contract deals off
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We really can't keep both Greene and Mitchell anyways, unless we traded a guy already on the roster. Doughty, Muzzin, Voynov, Regehr, Martinez, and McNabb are the 6 we have and then 1 of Mitchell or Greene.
 
I would cash in on Clifford and King while they're at an all time high. I'd also re-sign Greene for cheap. I'd look at moving Regehr. The D needs to get get more mobile and a better passing unit as a whole. Move Richards to LW. Use the money from Regehr, Clifford, King Mitchell and put it towards a legit top 4 dman upgrade. Stralman or Meszaros maybe? Or let Greene walk and go after both d men.

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Richards-Stoll-Williams
Nolan-Vey-Lewis
Andreoff

Doughty-Muzzin
Voynov-Stralman/Meszaros?
Martinez-Greene
McNabb

Quick
Jones
 
Meszaros? Really? Go look what Philly and Boston fans have to say about him and then rethink. Would rather have Strålman. He was surprisingly solid for the Rangers this season and even more so the playoffs. If he could be afforded, yes please.
 
timmeh said:
Meszaros? Really? Go look what Philly and Boston fans have to say about him and then rethink. Would rather have Strålman. He was surprisingly solid for the Rangers this season and even more so the playoffs. If he could be afforded, yes please.
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He has apparently already turned down an offer of a 3-year contract for $3.5 million per season from the Rangers.
 
thought King and especially Clifford looked good in the playoffs - not sure why we would trade 2 pieces of the cup team, who are on low salaries and a good fit, when we are tight against the cap. Most of our D is young (drew, slava ,Muzz, Martinez, Mcnabb) so we need a couple of hard vets. Regher is under contract and one of Green or Mitchell - would we get better on the open market for the same cost. I think people underestimate our vets and say we should get younger. I reckon a Mitchell for instance would be invaluable in helping the young guys grow.
 
I just posted in the Mitchell thread,

I think you have to let Greene go, then rotate Mitchell, Regehr, and McNabb, or you run with Regehr and McNabb if you can't sign Mitchell.

King and re-sign for a minimal raise to what he was at, I don't see him getting huge money, probably along the lines of a Trevor Lewis deal,

The year after I think you HAVE to let Stoll go, then Vey or Andreoff steps in, Regehr is more than likely gone, and you have to resign Martinez, Muzzin, Williams, Pearson, Toffoli, Nolan and Jones,

Out of those, Nolan is let go, Pearson signs for a Lewis type deal, Muzzin might go for a bridge deal, 3-4 years etc,

Hard decision to make on Williams, if kids are ready, how much money he wants etc,

I think you will see 1-2 kids in 2014-2015, and then another 2-3 kids 2015-2016 and slowly changing of the guard, Williams, Stoll, gone, Andreoff, Vey, etc coming in,

I just don't see how you do what you did in 2012, and keep everyone.
 
Solid post. You have obviously done your homework.

Couple things

If Pearson has the type of year I think he is capable of then he will get more than Lewis got. Pearson had 12 points in 24 playoff games, which would be a little over 40 points over a full season, and that was with no PP time. I think he could be a 45-55 point guy and that would bring him over the 2m a year number quite easily.

I just don't see any way that Williams goes, unless his play were to really go into the tank this season. Maybe the Mayor was right and the plan was to trade Williams this summer, but obviously a Conn Smythe Trophy changes everything. Williams will stay a King this season and I expect the Kings to try and re-sign him for 4-5m which can happen at any time starting July 1st, 2014.

As for Stoll, well I think his market value for next summer will be right around what he makes now (think the Kings overpaid in 2012). So the question then becomes what is better for the team Stoll at the 3C for $3.5 million or Richards as the 3C for $5.75. Kopitar is going to get 8.5-9m so even with Carter's relatively cheap hit for what he brings, the Kings won't be able to commit 23-24m a year to four centers. I still feel Stoll's game better suits the 3C role, especially with his faceoff abilities and vastly better defensive play although Richards would be better insurance in case of an injury to 11 or 77 as we know Stoll has never been able to effectively play on a scoring line since he came to LA.

Think Muzzin gets a similar deal to Slava, maybe a little less since Slava had the KHL card which the Kings know Muzzin wouldn't use but still, he is going to make close to 4x what he currently does.

But good post, very well thought out and spot on that there are going to have to be some very difficult decisions made around this time next year.
 
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Herby said:
Solid post. You have obviously done your homework.

Couple things

If Pearson has the type of year I think he is capable of then he will get more than Lewis got. Pearson had 12 points in 24 playoff games, which would be a little over 40 points over a full season, and that was with no PP time. I think he could be a 45-55 point guy and that would bring him over the 2m a year number quite easily.

I just don't see any way that Williams goes, unless his play were to really go into the tank this season. Maybe the Mayor was right and the plan was to trade Williams this summer, but obviously a Conn Smythe Trophy changes everything. Williams will stay a King this season and I expect the Kings to try and re-sign him for 4-5m which can happen at any time starting July 1st, 2014.

As for Stoll, well I think his market value for next summer will be right around what he makes now (think the Kings overpaid in 2012). So the question then becomes what is better for the team Stoll at the 3C for $3.5 million or Richards as the 3C for $5.75. Kopitar is going to get 8.5-9m so even with Carter's relatively cheap hit for what he brings, the Kings won't be able to commit 23-24m a year to four centers. I still feel Stoll's game better suits the 3C role, especially with his faceoff abilities and vastly better defensive play although Richards would be better insurance in case of an injury to 11 or 77 as we know Stoll has never been able to effectively play on a scoring line since he came to LA.

Think Muzzin gets a similar deal to Slava, maybe a little less since Slava had the KHL card which the Kings know Muzzin wouldn't use but still, he is going to make close to 4x what he currently does.

But good post, very well thought out and spot on that there are going to have to be some very difficult decisions made around this time next year.
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Of course this all depends on what Pearson does next year, if you are right and he hits 40 points, then yea, he might get 2 mil + I don't see a long term contract right away though for him or Toffoli.

Lombardi is a huge believer in bridge deals, and for the most part, tries to get them, he gives in when he can't, ala Quick, Doughty, Brown, etc, and that might because the status of the player on the team, I think Pearson and Toffoli both get 2-3 year deals when the time comes at a reasonable rate, and it's up to them to price themselves out of LA.

I put it that way because if they price themselves out, that should mean that LA is getting 2 more Cups due to their play as well as others.

Richards vs Stoll, I think that is the decision the Kings are going to have to make, and just by virtue of contract, Stoll is the one out, Richards moves up to 3rd line C/PK/PP/ 2nd line spot duty etc, and they use Lewis as a C on the 4th line, or bring in Vey etc.

As far as Williams, I don't believe the Conn Smythe did anything but make Williams more attractive if they are going to trade him, it's a tough sell to the fans, but if you look at it, tough decisions have to be made, depending on the return of Williams, you have to make that deal no matter how tough a pill it is to swallow, I don't think anyone in CHI wanted Ladd traded after that first cup, and Ladd was a helluva lot younger I believe.

Either way, it's going to be an interesting off-season
 
Telos,

I see you have Nikolay Prokhorkin signed to a new ELC on your chart through 2016/2017. Is this official? I have not seen these numbers anywhere else, and he is not listed on the Kings organization roster on Capgeek.

Thanks
 
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Telos,

I see you have Nikolay Prokhorkin signed to a new ELC on your chart through 2016/2017. Is this official? I have not seen these numbers anywhere else, and he is not listed on the Kings organization roster on Capgeek.

Thanks
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You're right, apparently the contract was cancelled. It was up on Capgeek and is still up on NHL Numbers, but looks like it is suspended as details get worked out. I'll leave it up there in question, minus the numbers, as it is only a matter of time and see how things go in the offseason.
 
I do really like Meszaros but I feel that there will only be one or two roster changes this offseason.

-Greene, Fraser, Nolan leaving.
-Two kids coming up.

Gabbo-Kopi-Brownie
(The 70s line)
King/Cliff-Stoll-Willy
King/Cliff-Richards-Lewis

*Vey/Andreoff/Weal

Muzz-Doughty
Regher-Voynov
Mitchell-Martinez

*McNabb/Bods
 
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