Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[NYVanfan]

someone did this on Capfriendly -- Halak makes sense for Avs too.
Avs fans, how much do you hate this?
Miller for Newhook - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Canucks LB]

Why Canucks shopping him? They need more of those, not less.

Cap + Trading when value is high, huge bidding war
Boeser and horvat contracts coming up
Millers value is at a All time high

 

[Peter Griffin]

Why Canucks shopping him? They need more of those, not less.

UFA after next season, may not want to re-sign in Vancouver and/or Vancouver may not want to commit to what he wants long term.

Vancouver has a lot of holes and even with JT aren’t likely to make the playoffs. The best long term plan may be to move him now for some pieces that can better suit the team in 23/24.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

someone did this on Capfriendly -- Halak makes sense for Avs too.
Avs fans, how much do you hate this?
Miller for Newhook - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Avs should not be in on Miller. Mackinnon's contract also expires next year. They will need Newhook on an ELC at that time to make up for mackinnon's raise, and Kadri's absence/raise

 

[Ita]

If I were Vancouver I would also do 50% retention to maximize his value.

 

[Peter Griffin]

If I were Vancouver I would also do 50% retention to maximize his value.

Yep. If Miller is dealt they’re basically throwing in the towel on this season and next so retaining salary won’t affect them.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I think it’s insane to give up a huge haul for this player. There are no guarantees of winning the cup. If you give up a ton of futures and don’t win the cup in the next 2 seasons, you might be toast. I mean, unless you re-sign him I guess. It’s a risk. But sure, welcome to trade deadline frenzy.

 

[timw33]

Why Canucks shopping him? They need more of those, not less.

Canucks have a terrible cap structure with multiple poison pill contracts on the books, and Miller extremely unlikely to extend with the Canucks past next year.

Team is capped out, hasn't drafted in the 1st round in back to back years, is missing this year's second, and have a bottom 5 prospect pool. At best they are a playoff bubble team with this group and it's time to sell high on their assets for once.

 

[thefutures]

The cost is going to be outrageous but the idea of Hall-Miller-Pastrnak is quite tantalizing.

I thought boston would be a great fit for him too

 

[Canuck Luck]

That reads a little different than the Perfetti/Jarvis/Newhook or bust narrative that has been prevalent recently.

Theres always homers in every fan base. While of course us Canucks fans hope and want those players, the non homers understand and are happy with at least a prospect like Barron/Lundqvist + late 1st + 2nd or B prospect

 

[Kcb12345]

Man he would be a fantastic fit in Colorado.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

I think it’s insane to give up a huge haul for this player. There are no guarantees of winning the cup. If you give up a ton of futures and don’t win the cup in the next 2 seasons, you might be toast. I mean, unless you re-sign him I guess. It’s a risk. But sure, welcome to trade deadline frenzy.

You only say that because you are a Leafs fan. Other teams actually have a shot. Even TB buys at the TDL to have a better shot at the cup. It only ever works out for 1 team, but the teams that don't buy pretty much never win it.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Pens should be monitoring.

 

[dbaz]

Theres always homers in every fan base. While of course us Canucks fans hope and want those players, the non homers understand and are happy with at least a prospect like Barron/Lundqvist + late 1st + 2nd or B prospect

disagree. 2 pieces if a better prospect, 3 if not. its a 2 year rental not 1 year. Coleman got foote and a 1st as a 2 year rental and he isnt the player miller is.

 

[Szechwan]

I think it’s insane to give up a huge haul for this player. There are no guarantees of winning the cup. If you give up a ton of futures and don’t win the cup in the next 2 seasons, you might be toast. I mean, unless you re-sign him I guess. It’s a risk. But sure, welcome to trade deadline frenzy.

Hmmm give up a 1st for like 10 games from Nick Foligno, or give up a 1st and good prospect for a swiss army 1st line C/W locked in at $5m for two playoff runs... Tough call, I can see why a Leaf fan might be puzzled about it.

 

[Superlative Soup]

I think it’s insane to give up a huge haul for this player. There are no guarantees of winning the cup. If you give up a ton of futures and don’t win the cup in the next 2 seasons, you might be toast. I mean, unless you re-sign him I guess. It’s a risk. But sure, welcome to trade deadline frenzy.

There's no guarantee in winning the cup and there's also no guarantee those futures turn into anything. All you can hope for us a 2-3 year window where you're one of the best 3 teams in the league and catch fire.

 

[Hookslide]

I thought boston would be a great fit for him too

From a Bruins point of view it would be interesting, but at what cost............

 

[Jumptheshark]

As I stated in the other thread--all these "reports" are coming from either Canuck reporters or reporters that have a history with Rutherford...my question is--Is Vancouver trying to create the market and if so why? They are firing on all wheels and not seems an interesting time to ship out someone who is supposed to be a key cog

 

[Peter Griffin]

From a Bruins point of view it would be interesting, but at what cost............

I thought about Boston but I’m not sure they have the key piece Vancouver would want, namely a RH’ed defensive prospect with top pairing upside.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Some questions for Canucks' fans on Miller as I don't get to watch VAN that much.

What spot does Miller play on the PP?

Since he scores a lot on the PP, I'm curious (and also curious which teams have a big need on the PP for the spot he plays there.)

He would still help teams at 5v5 as well, given his versatility, but he's excelled on the PP last season and this (based on point totals as I haven't watched him much).

Second question, what type of player does he best mesh with? A goal scorer that he can set up? Or a set-up guy that get him the puck?

Although he can play C or W, is he better at one or the other?

 

[dbaz]

As I stated in the other thread--all these "reports" are coming from either Canuck reporters or reporters that have a history with Rutherford...my question is--Is Vancouver trying to create the market and if so why? They are firing on all wheels and not seems an interesting time to ship out someone who is supposed to be a key cog

sekeres is absolutely hated by the organization and most fanebase, so they wouldnt have him do anything for them.
dater is colorado based so im not seeing anything there.
seravalli has a connection to every team and gm so not sure how that on their side.

dhaliwal is the main one from the canucks who has inside sources, so i can see someone saying he is pushing it for the organization. but hes also been quite accurate with his canucks reporting

 

[kanucks25]

Pens should be monitoring.

Given JR's connection to PIT and saying he wants to put emphasis on speed, I wonder if there's a deal to be made here with Kapanen as the centerpiece.

I'd personally want a younger player but I think this would be a possibility.

 

[Prior]

Miller would be a damn near perfect fit on the Wild for a year and a half. They wouldn’t be able to re-up him.

Moving this year’s first wouldn’t be an issue. Whatever it is beyond that is where it’s a bit challenging. They have a pretty deep NHL blue line and pool but if you’re looking for solely RHD, it’s really Addison who doesn’t have the frame that Van fans are looking for. I’m sure they’d be fine moving any of their defensive prospects including Lambos for someone like Miller. At center, Rossi is obviously there but that’s probably pretty questionable whether they would part with him knowing they cannot re-sign Miller.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

disagree. 2 pieces if a better prospect, 3 if not. its a 2 year rental not 1 year. Coleman got foote and a 1st as a 2 year rental and he isnt the player miller is.

A lot of the return on rental/rental+1 type players is situational. After disappointment, TB knew they needed players like Coleman and Goodrow and paid a premium for them as they felt those were the "missing pieces". They had the goaltending, high end skill, and defensemen already, but needed some guys like Coleman and Goodrow. They also knew with upcoming cap crunches and some of their players getting older, they had a shorter window so were willing to go all in (so to speak). It paid off.

Miller is certainly better than Coleman, so in a vacuum, the return would be better, but the situation will also dictate how much of a return he gets.

Of course, Van can just hold onto him if they don't like the return and trade him this off-season or at next year's deadline.

 

[kanucks25]

Some questions for Canucks' fans on Miller as I don't get to watch VAN that much.

What spot does Miller play on the PP?

Since he scores a lot on the PP, I'm curious (and also curious which teams have a big need on the PP for the spot he plays there.)

He would still help teams at 5v5 as well, given his versatility, but he's excelled on the PP last season and this (based on point totals as I haven't watched him much).

Second question, what type of player does he best mesh with? A goal scorer that he can set up? Or a set-up guy that get him the puck?

Although he can play C or W, is he better at one or the other?

He's played kind of all over the place both 5-on-5 and on the PP, but IMO his playmaking has taken a huge step - he's become a great passer. He would really benefit from having a legit scorer on his line.

I'd say he's best on LW because of his propensity to randomly stop trying halfway through a shift. Really never seen anything like it, it's like he stops caring on a whim. Sometimes that doesn't go well when he's playing defense in his own zone as a center.

e/ adjusted to a more appropriate metaphor