Speculation: Official Fantasy Trade Offers/Armchair GM Thread

[TheImpatientPanther]

Matheson-Ekblad
Yandle-Pysyk
Mccoshin-petro

Would far rather spend big money on a Free agent winger if we have the choice.

As much as I want this and agree with spending on a winger, will management/Tallon expose Demers after signing him to that deal just a year ago?

 

[Everything is fine]

Matheson-Ekblad
Yandle-Pysyk
Mccoshin-petro

Would far rather spend big money on a Free agent winger if we have the choice.

Oh I forgot one

But still that's not enough. We couldn't afford a single injury and wouldn't have much experience on defense. Then there's the question is McCoshin even ready for full 82 game season?

So it got me thinking could they target a vet to add depth.
As much as we need a winger we need a better defense too.
And this team needs to start drafting defenseman.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

Oh I forgot one

But still that's not enough. We couldn't afford a single injury and wouldn't have much experience. Is McCoshin even ready for full 82 game season?

So it got me thinking could they target a veteram to add depth.
As much as we need a winger we need a better defense too.
And this team needs to start drafting defenseman.

Weegar doesn't count as quality depth?

 

[batting1k]

Oh I forgot one

But still that's not enough. We couldn't afford a single injury and wouldn't have much experience on defense. Then there's the question is McCoshin even ready for full 82 game season?

So it got me thinking could they target a vet to add depth.
As much as we need a winger we need a better defense too.
And this team needs to start drafting defenseman.

We should've added a vet for the 2nd or 3rd pair instead of Demers.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Maybe we can sign Alzner

 

[EnforceTheLaus]

2nd LHD would be ideal, likely losing one RHD so I would like Matheson on the 3rd pairing

 

[Brokin]

Maybe they can coax blake ball out of retirement. Oh, I forgot.......he's dead. Should be perfect for the 7th dman.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

We should've added a vet for the 2nd or 3rd pair instead of Demers.

You say this like Demers isn't a 2nd pairing veteran

 

[batting1k]

You say this like Demers isn't a 2nd pairing veteran

He is and he isn't. He didn't play like one this year in my opinion. Wasn't as steady as he should've been or anyone expected. Good on the PK, but left something to be desired at 5v5. Signing him was redundant when you consider we had already acquired Pysyk and Yandle, and Matheson was expected to jump in. Don't think he brings anything to the table that those 3 guys don't. Then you consider he's on a 5 year deal at 4.5 per, I don't think he really fits into the team long term, especially if the Panthers are as high on Weegar and McCoshen as they probably are.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

2nd LHD would be ideal, likely losing one RHD so I would like Matheson on the 3rd pairing

Why? If you acquire Alzer with a ~$4.5milx6-7-contract for an instance and Demers is still in the books after the exp. draft, you have Yands, Demers, Ek and Alzer taking about $23-25mil in cap for the next four years. And you'd have consider how to make room for Matheson in two years, Petro/Pysyk this year and probably consider if McCoshen or Weegar has the chops to be a regular roster player. I'd rather avoid having yet another guy in defense who'd be tied with this org for the next 4-7 years with NTC.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

He is and he isn't. He didn't play like one this year

Ok. But you said we should have signed a 2nd pairing veteran and not Demers. They did sign a 2nd pairing veteran and he was bad. If he wasn't bad, you would not have listed this as a requirement.

I also don't think he's going anywhere, Vegas won't take that contract and he isn't movable at said contract. He was never as bad as he was this year, I can't imagine he'll continue to suck this much.

 

[batting1k]

Ok. But you said we should have signed a 2nd pairing veteran and not Demers. They did sign a 2nd pairing veteran and he was bad. If he wasn't bad, you would not have listed this as a requirement.

I also don't think he's going anywhere, Vegas won't take that contract and he isn't movable at said contract. He was never as bad as he was this year, I can't imagine he'll continue to suck this much.

My point was I'm not so sure we needed another Pysyk/Matheson/Yandle-type player in the first place. I was optimistic going in and I still am, and I think there's definitely a good chance he could be better for us with a more solid system/new head coach.

 

[Everything is fine]

Weegar doesn't count as quality depth?

If the demand is playoffs then no.

We should've added a vet for the 2nd or 3rd pair instead of Demers.

I would like to see how Demers can do with a different coach, but I don't want to lose Pysyk, I'd protect him. With Yandle, Matheson, Ekblad we need a player like Pysyk. Lose him and who's doing the defending?

Right side likely won't be touched outside of who gets picked by Vegas but left side could use a vet, someone who plays more like Pysyk rather than Yandle.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

If the demand is playoffs then no.

Which team in the league has the privilege of having an abundance of better dmen in the farm? If the Preds are the staple of defensive teams in the league, then their dmen outside of the top4 are quite pathetic in comparison with e.g. Irwin and Weber.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

My point was I'm not so sure we needed another Pysyk/Matheson/Yandle-type player in the first place.

But none of these players are similar at all... what free agent did you want?

 

[batting1k]

But none of these players are similar at all... what free agent did you want?

Nothing similar at all?

 

[Everything is fine]

Which team in the league has the privilege of having an abundance of better dmen in the farm? If the Preds are the staple of defensive teams in the league, then their dmen outside of the top4 are quite pathetic in comparison with e.g. Irwin and Weber.

The problem would be the experience. If we lose Demers then that leaves Yandle as the only vet.
Matheson has played 1 season in the NHL, we don't know if McCoshin is ready for NHL.
Then Weegar, the extra has 3 NHL games.

That's too risky for a team that tries to make the playoffs after missing them.
Our defense wasn't good enough last year, there were collapses too often.

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

He is and he isn't. He didn't play like one this year in my opinion. Wasn't as steady as he should've been or anyone expected. Good on the PK, but left something to be desired at 5v5. Signing him was redundant when you consider we had already acquired Pysyk and Yandle, and Matheson was expected to jump in. Don't think he brings anything to the table that those 3 guys don't. Then you consider he's on a 5 year deal at 4.5 per, I don't think he really fits into the team long term, especially if the Panthers are as high on Weegar and McCoshen as they probably are.

This is one of your most logic posts over the past year.


The thing I'll remember the most "fondly" about the bum Demers : during the summer signing beating out other teams for his services "this Panthers team is now legit with this signing --some have them as top 5-8 Cup Contending team --big signing for future of their Dcore --no real holes on this team now with Demers (and Reimer deals)--love this team right now"

That was how national broadcasters talked about Panthers early last summer. It was THE MOST positive talk on panthers team as a whole since Cup Final days/Bure trade days.

Thanks a lot Demers. It was a total 180 ^ from what I expected

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

The problem would be the experience. If we lose Demers then that leaves Yandle as the only vet.
Matheson has played 1 season in the NHL, we don't know if McCoshin is ready for NHL.
Then Weegar, the extra defenseman has 3 NHL games.

That's too risky for a team that tries to make the playoffs after missing them.
Our defense wasn't good enough last year, there were collapses too often.

Sure, the amount of NHL games is low but it comes with the territory. It's a never ending catch-22 if you bury guys like McCoshen and Weegar to the farm because they'll never get NHL experience in the AHL. Like even after one year of NHL, Matheson still earns your doubt. If the Cats sign Alzer for a four-seven year bid, that's asking for trouble with the prospects who are on the brink of making the jump. If I were Tallon, I'd just follow through what I've said in the media about trusting the kids and selecting the next coach based on that roster will be relatively young. And again, neither GG or Rowe weren't up for establishing the defensive structure that the mgmt wanted.

 

[Everything is fine]

Sure, the amount of NHL games is low but it comes with the territory. It's a never ending catch-22 if you bury guys like McCoshen and Weegar to the farm because they'll never get NHL experience in the AHL. Like even after one year of NHL, Matheson still earns your doubt. If the Cats sign Alzer for a four-seven year bid, that's asking for trouble with the prospects who are on the brink of making the jump. If I were Tallon, I'd just follow through what I've said in the media about trusting the kids and selecting the next coach based on that roster will be relatively young. And again, neither GG or Rowe weren't up for establishing the defensive structure that the mgmt wanted.

I'm not thinking another Yandle contract. Just a vet to a few year deal to add to the bottom4 depth, under 4M hit.

I like seeing young players make the roster. But the defense can't be just all young players and players who we can't even for sure say are ready when you have high goals and failed the last season. Big part of it was how bad we were defensively.

Ekblad, Matheson, Pysyk, Petrovic, McCoshin, Weegar is just too much of a risk at the same time.
I think it should be Matheson, Ekblad, Pysyk and Petrovic NHL and McCoshen starts in the AHL, Weegar extra.
That's plenty of youth in the NHL but if they go with just 1 vet the expectations should be lowered.

82 game season is tough.

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

I'm not thinking another Yandle contract. Just a vet to a few year deal to add to the bottom4 depth, under 4M hit.

I like seeing young players make the roster. But the defense can't be just all young players and players who we can't even for sure say are ready when you have high goals and failed the last season. Big part of it was how bad we were defensively.

Ekblad, Matheson, Pysyk, Petrovic, McCoshin, Weegar is just too much of a risk at the same time.
I think the goal should be to have Matheson, Ekblad, Pysyk and Petrovic up and McCoshen starts in the AHL, Weegar extra.
That's plenty of youth in the NHL but if they go with just 1 vet the expectations should be lowered.

82 game season is tough.

I don't consider that group as risky but that's to each his/her own. Even the Ducks are rolling with a younger, inexperienced defense and they are getting the job done by comparison against the supposedly superior Preds' defense. I'm more about looking at the talent, current ability and the level of coaching than the accrued NHL games.

 

[Everything is fine]

I don't consider that group as risky but that's to each his/her own. Even the Ducks are rolling with a younger, inexperienced defense and they are getting the job done by comparison against the supposedly superior Preds' defense. I'm more about looking at the talent, current ability and the level of coaching than the accrued NHL games.

There are pretty big differences between our and Anaheims defense.

Fowler and Lindholm would be our best defenseman, Vatanen top3. Theodore and Montour were better prospects than Weegar and McCoshen.

McCoshen and Weegar are medium prospects and they lack experience. They can't be compared against Ducks players.

Fowler, Lindholm and Vatanen have experience, they've played years in the NHL, they have played tough playoff rounds for years.

So if we compare against the Duck we lose in talent and in experience. Our risk factor is several tiers higher.
If our guys were top prospects it wouldn't be that risky but they aren't.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Nothing similar at all?

I have no idea how anyone could think Yandle, Pysyk, and Demers are similar player types. Your posts makes it seem like we already have what Demers was supposed to bring based on his '09-'16 play and I am asking why you think that because we have no one similar to Demers (the Demers we brought in based on his past play)

 

[Jean Luc Discard]

There are pretty big differences between our and Anaheims defense.

Fowler and Lindholm would be our best defenseman, Vatanen top3. Theodore and Montour were better prospects than Weegar and McCoshen.

McCoshen and Weegar are medium prospects and they lack experience. They can't be compared against Ducks players.

Fowler, Lindholm and Vatanen have experience, they've played years in the NHL, they have played tough playoff rounds for years.

So if we compare against the Duck we lose in talent and in experience. Our risk factor is several tiers higher.
If our guys were top prospects it wouldn't be that risky but they aren't.

Correct, I agree that they have the better defense at least talent-wise. My argument was about that everything doesn't boil down to NHL experience. The Ducks have also Manson, Theodore and Montour who have about the same, combined amount of NHL experience than Petrovic has. Our group definitely doesn't lose in NHL experience.

McCoshen and Weegar might not be the flashiest prospects out there but they definitely have earned at least a consideration and a roster spot as far as I'm concerned because the talent and ability is there and they aren't expected to carry this team.

Majority of the roster makeup depends on drafting but if the defense has only one homegrown talent, which happens to be in danger of being a buyout candidate, after seven years of rebuilding... I think that the team should abandon drafting defensemen completely if that is a too complicated process resulting in roster players for this org.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Matheson-Ekblad
Yandle-Pysyk
McCoshen-Petrovic/Demers/UFA

Weegar

ideally we would want yandle on the 2nd pairing, id prefer to protect pysyk over petrovic or demers, gives him a stable and smart line mate to watch after him defensively.

maybe in a perfect scenario we would have matheson on the 3rd but realistically, unless we trade or sign someone who can which i doubt, matheson is best equipped to take on top competition. his skating ability, speed, underrated strength, stamina, and puck handling ability makes him better equipped to handle top guys over someone like yandle or a rookie in mccoshen. ekblad is relied upon to be our top guy moving forward, thats what we expect from him. ideally after this season id want him on the 2nd pairing but i don't think him and yandle pair together as well as i hoped, ek needs a mobile skater preferably with him but someone who can watch over him a bit defensively since he likes to jump into the play a lot. him and matheson kinda seem destined to be paired together.

i think mccoshen is more than ready to start, especially on the 3rd pairing. 3yrs of D1 hockey at boston college and 1yr of pro in the ahl, just like matheson, showed well in his tryout stint at the end of the season, plays as a defensive d and has the body/strength where he'll hold his own just fine more so than puck moving high end skating d like matheson where theres more of a learning curve. not to over analyze +/- too much, but knowing he's a defensive d first we see the quality of his play in his +/-. his draft year he was +35 in the ushl, went from +14 in his sophomore season at boston college to +30 in his junior/final year, and then +23 in his first pro season (i believe leading the thunderbirds if i recall correctly?). id rather get rid of demers though I'm fine with him on the bottom pairing, mccoshen is a d first partner to help him but demers would help supply more offense facing easier competition, its just the contract is all, id rather clear it. although if we can clear bjugstad and jussi only has 1yr left thats 8.1 in those 2 guys alone so we could hold onto demers a little longer if we want. if petrovic it makes for a strong and responsible shutdown pairing. I'm actually completely fine with weegar in that spot, played with mccoshen in springfield and love his skill set mixed with his physical attributes, but 2 rookies and a sophomore may be too excessive, especially when we don't need to with demers or petrovic. plus its good to have quality depth.