Official Calder Thread 2019-2020

[BigTruzz]

Cale Makar is absolutely insane.

Quinn Hughes is also absolutely insane.

 

[canuckking1]

Already been done, Makar lit them up for 4 points last time they played.

Yup look at his amazing assist on this play

 

[Love]

Also, anyone have an update on Makar's post/crossbar count? I know its a woulda coulda didnt, but wow this guy has been unlucky.

Actually quite the opposite. His shooting percentage is insanely high and yes, it’s unsustainable. He’s 6th in the entire NHL in shooting percentage among defenceman.

 

[Kaizer]

Yup look at his amazing assist on this play

First guy skips the puck, second - shoots, third - deflects, goalie is day dreaming and Hughes gets an assist. "He dominates his shifts and controls the play" they say

 

[Muffin]

Yup look at his amazing assist on this play

You're gonna tell me every one of Hughes' point is a highlight reel play? What about the outlet pass to Kadri in the same game. Every player picks up cheap points. Let's talk stats here:

Quinn Hughes: 8g 20p1a 19p2a
Cale Makar:12g 19p1a 14p2a

Who do you think picks up more cheap points? Should be pretty obvious.

 

[TippinOn44s]

Actually quite the opposite. His shooting percentage is insanely high and yes, it’s unsustainable. He’s 6th in the entire NHL in shooting percentage among defenceman.

Yet still near the top of the league in posts hit.

 

[calderkids]

Quinn does do that very often, every other game there will be an extended possession shift from him, you dont seem to watch enough Canuck games then, as I dont expect you to. To be fair to Makar, possession game is not Makar's bread and butter, Makar's pinches and forays into the slot are much more impressive than Hughes', he will outgoal Hughes every year in their career the way they differ in approach. Also to be fair, it was Makar who also lost Francouz's shutout last night. Pettersson overtook Makar in the woulda coulda didnt stat.

I think the guy you quoted is just salty because Quinns Rookie Numbers are better then what Rasmus has put up in his sophomore season and is only 6 months older. Using Quinns Rookie season against Rasmus's sophomore season takes out any debate on age since their both 2018 picks six months apart, nevermind the fact that Rasmus is a big kid while Q "well that's a small body ladies and Gentlemen" To quote Burkie on draft day. Rasmus was also considered generational and was a 1st overall pick who gets to has some pretty good players around him. People will say well the Sabres suck, well so did the Oilers with #97 never stopped that Generational talent. Funny thing is Quinn is holding his own against him on the defensive side of things. There was a great article about it on the Athletic I think.

As for the the different styles I agree, Quinn and Cale play two a different kind of game. I think Cale is an elite prototypical defenceman, while Quinn is like a rover from the 80s. Neither are very physical Cale pinches with the best of them while Q is just a breakout possession monster. I agree Cale will get more goals but Cale has dropped of a bit which was bound to happen when you had a shooting % in the 20s, but Q has been shooting more since in Greenes words the " shackles have come off" so who knows at this point I have a hard time even guessing what his ceiling may be.

For those of us who watch him all the time and keep thinking ok he's gotta start to slow down and hit that wall and then he has another best game of his career in game 59. Last night over 27 mins and he didn't even tire after the long shift in Ot. I know I sound like a homer but the fact that he's trumping Petey's Calder winning season is crazy.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Actually quite the opposite. His shooting percentage is insanely high and yes, it’s unsustainable. He’s 6th in the entire NHL in shooting percentage among defenceman.

Shooting percentage is not necessarily due to luck but due to shot selection and skill. Makar already has one of the quickest snap shot releases in the league and his one timers are getting better each game.

 

[Trinstin]

Actually quite the opposite. His shooting percentage is insanely high and yes, it’s unsustainable. He’s 6th in the entire NHL in shooting percentage among defenceman.

That seems... very sustainable though. I think he has as good a shot as any defenseman.

 

[Breakers]

First guy skips the puck, second - shoots, third - deflects, goalie is day dreaming and Hughes gets an assist. "He dominates his shifts and controls the play" they say

Because he does. Definitely last night he did.

 

[Raistlin]

You're gonna tell me every one of Hughes' point is a highlight reel play? What about the outlet pass to Kadri in the same game. Every player picks up cheap points. Let's talk stats here:

Quinn Hughes: 8g 20p1a 19p2a
Cale Makar:12g 19p1a 14p2a

Who do you think picks up more cheap points? Should be pretty obvious.

He used that clip in reply to the h2h game btw QH and CM. I was on ice level that game for once. In that game I only noticed CM on the cross ice Kadri goal, no one in the arena is aware Makar got 4 points that night I can assure you. It was all Mack. He put the team on his back and CM was just passing to him all night long. Our whole offense goes through Hughes, and I remember I subjectively came away more impressed with him even though Makar doubled his output.

In that game which the poster brought up, CM was not as impressive as his output suggested. CM was way more noticable in last night's game for example. It was Makars trophy to lose up until the ASB, now Hughes has stepped up and it's a complete deadheat between the two of them. Consider that our whole offense runs through QH and he has not dropped the ball yet, you have to concede that he will get more and more hype amoung the voters as the season winds down. Its now imperative that Makar beats QH in the point total race because Hughes just has that much more opportunity to showcase his soft skills (in our bubble team) with the way he is deployed by Green.

 

[Tempo]

After 53 pages of the same arguments repeating over and over again with no progress, if you are still trying to convince each other that Makar > Hughes or vice versa, you truly are an idiot.

Move on.

 

[LuckyDay]

After 53 pages of the same arguments repeating over and over again with no progress, if you are still trying to convince each other that Makar > Hughes or vice versa, you truly are an idiot.

Move on.

Its the calder race thread. What are they supposed say?

 

[LuckyDay]

Seeing how one of the Wild took his stick across Huggy Bear's face, he's getting noticed

Spoiler

Trying to take a run at impact players before the playoffs, and Green just yells at the refs when the play gets stopped. This is the wrong time of year to expect the refs to enforce the rules.

 

[Caboose]

Anyone have the full shift of Landeskog's goal that Makar didn't get an assist on? Makar did laps around the o zone laughing at everyone. This is exactly why he is winning the Calder no matter what the points results end in. No defenseman in the league is doing what he is doing.

Hughes seemingly does that every game as well.

 

[Caboose]

Hell he didn't even get a point this shift, that's Barzal chasing him around, the guy who won the fastest skater.

That's very impressive, crosbyesque the way he protects the puck. Hughes has similar types offensive possession plays, but he certainly doesnt protect the puck that way he relies much more on his edge work and elusiveness to create space.

That's not something I think Hughes would ever have in his game no doubt makar is a very powerful skater.

 

[El Travo]

Actually quite the opposite. His shooting percentage is insanely high and yes, it’s unsustainable. He’s 6th in the entire NHL in shooting percentage among defenceman.

I don't understand this rationale. You've got no prior NHL shooting percentage to go off of and are just assuming he's getting lucky.

Just an attempt to sound smart.

 

[Papa Francouz]

Seeing how one of the Wild took his stick across Huggy Bear's face, he's getting noticed

Spoiler

Trying to take a run at impact players before the playoffs, and Green just yells at the refs when the play gets stopped. This is the wrong time of year to expect the refs to enforce the rules.

Poor kid looks like a young Steve Buscemi in that pic. At least he's insanely talented at hockey so it doesn't really matter what he looks like.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

over the last month (since january 23), quinn hughes leads all defencemen and all rookies in scoring

over the last five weeks (since january 16), quinn hughes leads all defencemen and all rookies in scoring

over the last six weeks (since january 9), quinn hughes leads all defencemen and all rookies in scoring

over the last seven weeks (since january 2), quinn hughes is second in defencemen scoring and second in rookie scoring (but that rookie is not makar)

over the last two months (since dec 26), quinn hughes is third in defencemen scoring and third in rookie scoring (but neither of those rookies are makar)

making a really nice late push, but makar is only 3—5 points behind him every step of the way

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

The Calder is Hughes’ to lose at this point

 

[NHL2004ISDABOMB]

this calder race will probably go down as one of the best. these last 20 or so games are gonna be so exciting to watch and follow.

 

[Ainec]

If both players suffer 8 week injury will it go to someone else? Assuming the other rookies maintain the same production

I'd say no

 

[53or8]

You're gonna tell me every one of Hughes' point is a highlight reel play? What about the outlet pass to Kadri in the same game. Every player picks up cheap points. Let's talk stats here:

Quinn Hughes: 8g 20p1a 19p2a
Cale Makar:12g 19p1a 14p2a

Who do you think picks up more cheap points? Should be pretty obvious.

We have devolved into primary assists and secondary assists now?

Whats next days of the week?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

After 53 pages of the same arguments repeating over and over again with no progress, if you are still trying to convince each other that Makar > Hughes or vice versa, you truly are an idiot.

Move on.

right? Everyone knows Olofsson deserves it.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

It's basically Kubalik versus Hughes. Kubalik has more goals, whereas, Hughes has more assists.