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Official 2025 NHL Draft Thread
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I have not been able to watch him play yet, but this kid Max Penkin in Germany is worth keeping an eye on. Not 2025, but 2027 draft eligible. He is currently Playing juniors for Adler Mannheim as a 15 year old and is off to a pretty good start. 3 points in 2 games(way to early to say that really, but he did really well against u17 as 14 year old last season, so oh well). Mannheim is the program that Stutzle, Seider, and and Draisaitl came from, so pretty solid development track record. Hopefully the Flyers can at least get eyes on this kid. Haven't seen him play yet so I can't provide a breakdown, but I do know very very few 15 year olds play in the German junior league. And possibly fewer skip Germany's u16 national team and play for their u17 team(And are tied for leading said u17 team in points). It definitely warrants a look and follow up looks to monitor development. Could end up a late round steal, could end up a high enough 1st round talent to be out reach, too early to say, but definitely worth monitoring. I doubt the Flyers have a guy in Germany, but in the event they broaden their search area figured I would throw Penkins name out there. Quick stick taps for Yzerman to end it. Bob's list had Seider at what 26? Great scouting by them
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Germany have some interesting guys over the next few years. Tbh there are a lot of interesting players from "smaller" nations. We are going to have Lithuanians and Latvias go early in next few years for example too.
Lewandowski, the Griva twins, Schneider, the Kose twins, Späth and Penkin... Samoilenko and Schwarz are two other 09's who are ones to watch for the future NHL draft.
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Smaht Scouting is basically becoming a Flyers fan club now...
like 3 of us there...
like 3 of us there...
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I am also very high on Mooney which means we will obviously not even consider picking him, I personally like frondell, but he's probably my 4-5 option at center tbhWatched some more.
Desnoyers's brother looks good. Mooney is my favorite guy not named Hagens and someone is gonna steal him because he's small. Not really into Frondell, but I'll keep watching because he's a Swede.
Still don’t know how to feel about Frondell. Definitely don’t see top 3 from him though.
Who other than you?
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Dan Haurin and Tom Watson now too.
With their additions Smaht team is now also stacked at wing for whenever we decide to make our own team too ahaha.
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Oh no, I don't see top 3 either, I'm saying I see him as probably the 5th best center atm
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I wonder if anyone ever mapped out how often talent in the NHL "cycles up a line" Like how long does it take for the average league talent of a 4th liner become the equivalent of a current 2024 3rd liner. I'm of the opinion that we're at the bottom of NHL talent across the board with having 32 teams and hard caps. I find most teams 4th lines to be unbearably difficult to watch. Obviously there will always be a gap between the top and bottom of the league, but that gap has to close as long as the talent pool to choose from keeps increasing right?
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It’s early but some prognosticators have laid out what they think will be the ‘25 draft order. SJ, ANA, CBJ are predicted to be the bottom three. Then come Chicago, Montreal and Utah. Most think that the Flyers end up seven to nine. What are you guys honestly seeing? My call is fifth behind SJ, CBJ, ANA, and Chicago.
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Anywhere from 10th to 20th depending on goaltending.
Too much talent to be worse than 10th, goaltending cratered last year and they still ended 12th.
Lost Walker, Atkinson, add Michkov, Drysdale/Risto back.
Wildcard is Couts being healthier, very good metrics but wore down and couldn't score.
So probably similar to last year with better PP.
Have CBJ and Anaheim 2nd rd picks as well as own, Edmonton and COL 1st rd picks.
So #15, #25, #28, #33, #35, #47???
#25 & #35 gets you to #14
#28 & #33 gets you to #16.
#15 & #47 gets you to #10.
Hard to move inside top ten, but Flyers could target anyone from #10 to #35.
Doubt Briere actually makes 6 picks in the top 50.
Too much talent to be worse than 10th, goaltending cratered last year and they still ended 12th.
Lost Walker, Atkinson, add Michkov, Drysdale/Risto back.
Wildcard is Couts being healthier, very good metrics but wore down and couldn't score.
So probably similar to last year with better PP.
Have CBJ and Anaheim 2nd rd picks as well as own, Edmonton and COL 1st rd picks.
So #15, #25, #28, #33, #35, #47???
#25 & #35 gets you to #14
#28 & #33 gets you to #16.
#15 & #47 gets you to #10.
Hard to move inside top ten, but Flyers could target anyone from #10 to #35.
Doubt Briere actually makes 6 picks in the top 50.
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McKenzies first list. No big surprises. Thought NHL guys would be higher on Jackson Smith though.
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James Hagens in pole position for top spot at 2025 NHL Draft | TSN
The Boston College freshman centre is the near-unanimous choice for No. 1 on Bob McKenzie's annual Pre-Season Ranking for the 2025 draft.
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Interestingly enough, though I guess expected, none of the 3 upper talented, small guys got much of a mention. (Schmidt, Benák, Mooney. Given that we’ll have 5 picks theoretically between 25-40ish, could snag some high end talent late.McKenzies first list. No big surprises. Thought NHL guys would be higher on Jackson Smith though.
James Hagens in pole position for top spot at 2025 NHL Draft | TSN
The Boston College freshman centre is the near-unanimous choice for No. 1 on Bob McKenzie's annual Pre-Season Ranking for the 2025 draft.
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Wouldn’t be surprised if none went in the first round
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McCrimmon sold the team a few years ago, IIRC, but they are no longer the old Bruins colours....Did McCrimmon make those jerseys? Look like Vegas.
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If anyone is interested in the strength of junior leagues "against each other" I.E. not transferability to pros, but how strong the leagues are independently? (I created a matrix which accounts for league scoring and team strength with players going between leagues over the last 10 years)
1. USHL
2. OHL
3. WHL
4. MHL (Russia)
5. SM-Saarja u-20 (Finland)
6. J20 (Sweden)
7. QMJHL
8. ELJ (Czechia)
9. Swiss u-20 Elit
10. Slovakia u-20
11. DNL (Germany)
In terms of tiers? The top 3 are all actually quite similar level wise. Though there actually is an edge to the USHL, maybe surprisingly, but the league is a bit older than all the other junior leagues sans Switzerland. And they do produce more "pros" than the other junior leagues even if not as much top end talent. So the depth of the league is what probably sways it.
Then MHL is kind of on an island equidistant between WHL and SM-Saarja... but the difference from WHL to SM-Liiga is not crazy and all 5 of the top leagues are within around ~15% of each other.
Then there is a drop to the J20, surprisingly. Not enormous, but a bigger drop than from MHL to SM-Liiga u-20.
Then comes the Q, slightly below J20 seemingly, shocking really how poor it is, all the Euros who come over score more adjusted for team in Q than in Finland, Sweden, Russia.
Then ELJ and Swiss u-20 are a bit below the Q. ELJ is clearly better, but that is mainly due to top end guys, overall they are not crazily dissimilar levels median wise.
Then Slovakia and the DNL, well, they are actually a similar level. Around half as good as North American junior hockey if can equate it like that.
1. USHL
2. OHL
3. WHL
4. MHL (Russia)
5. SM-Saarja u-20 (Finland)
6. J20 (Sweden)
7. QMJHL
8. ELJ (Czechia)
9. Swiss u-20 Elit
10. Slovakia u-20
11. DNL (Germany)
In terms of tiers? The top 3 are all actually quite similar level wise. Though there actually is an edge to the USHL, maybe surprisingly, but the league is a bit older than all the other junior leagues sans Switzerland. And they do produce more "pros" than the other junior leagues even if not as much top end talent. So the depth of the league is what probably sways it.
Then MHL is kind of on an island equidistant between WHL and SM-Saarja... but the difference from WHL to SM-Liiga is not crazy and all 5 of the top leagues are within around ~15% of each other.
Then there is a drop to the J20, surprisingly. Not enormous, but a bigger drop than from MHL to SM-Liiga u-20.
Then comes the Q, slightly below J20 seemingly, shocking really how poor it is, all the Euros who come over score more adjusted for team in Q than in Finland, Sweden, Russia.
Then ELJ and Swiss u-20 are a bit below the Q. ELJ is clearly better, but that is mainly due to top end guys, overall they are not crazily dissimilar levels median wise.
Then Slovakia and the DNL, well, they are actually a similar level. Around half as good as North American junior hockey if can equate it like that.
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