Official 2024-25 Utah HC Season Discussion.

Coyotedroppings

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LOB. He has as many goals, well rested, respected in the room.

Do you ever think about what you write? didn't think so.:laugh:
I’ll go with Bear and myself on this, with the comfidence that he and I are correct.

I wouldn't bench Kerfoot either, but I would Crouse or Schmaltz. I doubt Bear does bench any of the three. He will just bench Carcone and bring in LOB, or something like that.
Then you probably shouldn’t have carried on, like you’d bench all three.
 

Mangosteen

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2024-2025: 19pts (8-9-3)
2023-2024: 23pts (10-7-3)
2022-2023: 18pts (7-9-4)
2021-2022: 10pts (5-15)
2020-2021: 21pts (9-7-3)
We should be at least 23 to 25 points. We will need 94 to 96 points this year. Because of the D injuries I will accept 90 points. Anything less Smith should see as failure.

Come on down for a beer. Thank you.
 
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cobra427

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Can one of you techy guys help an old man out. 20 games into the year and we are at 19 points. What was our point total for 20 games for the last 4 years please? Come to Costa Rica and I will buy you a beer.

2024-2025: 19pts (8-9-3)
2023-2024: 23pts (10-7-3)
2022-2023: 18pts (7-9-4)
2021-2022: 10pts (5-15)
2020-2021: 21pts (9-7-3)
It doesn't look like the rebuild is going to well for our 5th year GM and 4th year coach, where is the progress, metrics, anything......If this was any other NHL team, the coach and GM would get booted.
 
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Jakey53

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I’ll go with Bear and myself on this, with the comfidence that he and I are correct.


Then you probably shouldn’t have carried on, like you’d bench all three.
Just stating all three are underperforming. Mind you, most of the team is. Or maybe they are performing up to expectations of management.
 

Jakey53

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It doesn't look like the rebuild is going to well for our 5th year GM and 4th year coach, where is the progress, metrics, anything......If this was any other NHL team, the coach and GM would get booted.
Come on now. Last year we had 70 pts., this year we are on pace for 74pts. Using this metric, we should be on pace for the playoffs around the ten years BA forecasted.:sarcasm:
 

cobra427

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Come on now. Last year we had 70 pts., this year we are on pace for 74pts. Using this metric, we should be on pace for the playoffs around the ten years BA forecasted.:sarcasm:
Now, now, lets set the record straight:
20-21, 54 points in 56 games, pretty good, of course BA doesn't get credit, that goes to the coach of the year now in Canada, after all BA was "evaluating".
21-22, 56 points in 82 games, 2 more points in 26 more games, first semi official year of the BA/Bear show
22-23, 70 points, 14 point improvement, we all be feeling good now!
23-24, 77 points, ok 10% improvement, only 20 points out of the playoffs.
24-25, low 70 point pace, but hey we have injuries, other NHL teams apparently avoid this somehow:)

Natives are getting restless now, Hey, but BA said it takes 8-10 years to build a sustainable winning franchise and organIzation. I think he might be right, the question now might be who is the GM and coach going to be by years 8-10?
 

Schemp

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I'm not expecting this team to go 0 for feburary this season! Expecting a much better second half than what has been, but GMBA needs to tweak the roster.
Norris or Pinto would be a huge trade for Utah! I rather have MacEwan than O'Brien too.
Not only do I think Provorov would be a great fit in Utah, I like our chances of re-signing him if we acquire him and no reason not to be able to outbid all others.
 
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Arizonatah Coyetis

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Schmaltz's lack of success doesn't look like an issue with effort. He's snake bit as snake bit can get IMO. I'm sure he's not happy with his play and it only makes it harder to get out of funk once you get into your own head.

Can't get into your own head if you donn't give a crap. Having that gosl taken back had to have stung him hard.

Edit: Crouse though? His play seems more lackadaisical IMO. He just doesn't seem to be playing very hard this season.
 
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Jakey53

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well, he needs something to get him playing with a little more “give a crap”, dont ya think?
I don't think "give a crap" is the right wording, but Crouse has to do more. Crouse isn't the only one. I still don't know why it took Bear so long to reunite Bugs, Maccelli and Crouse line.
 

Jakey53

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Schmaltz's lack of success doesn't look like an issue with effort. He's snake bit as snake bit can get IMO. I'm sure he's not happy with his play and it only makes it harder to get out of funk once you get into your own head.

Can't get into your own head if you donn't give a crap. Having that gosl taken back had to have stung him hard.

Edit: Crouse though? His play seems more lackadaisical IMO. He just doesn't seem to be playing very hard this season.
You have to stop defending these guys. Every single plyer should look in the mirror and say I have to do better. They have to do better. Today we are in the same position as last year. This is the year all were talking bubble team. That probably is not possible after Utah blew their 4-1 start.
 

Coyotedroppings

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Schmaltz's lack of success doesn't look like an issue with effort. He's snake bit as snake bit can get IMO. I'm sure he's not happy with his play and it only makes it harder to get out of funk once you get into your own head.

Can't get into your own head if you donn't give a crap. Having that gosl taken back had to have stung him hard.

Edit: Crouse though? His play seems more lackadaisical IMO. He just doesn't seem to be playing very hard this season.
Crouse has extremely short bursts where he looks engaged. A guy like him and if I were him? I’d be skating my ass off, hitting everything that moves like Tyson Nash. I think that would get him going in a positive direction.
 
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Coyotedroppings

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You have to stop defending these guys. Every single plyer should look in the mirror and say I have to do better. They have to do better. Today we are in the same position as last year. This is the year all were talking bubble team. That probably is not possible after Utah blew their 4-1 start.
You have to stop being so incredibly naive. These guys don’t get to this level and stay at this level, without taking those looks in the mirror, when the chips are down.
You don’t handle fristration well, do you Jakey?
 
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Vinny Boombatz

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there are plenty of NHLers playing for the paycheck rather than the love of the game. The greatest players are the ones that love it and dedicate every waking moment to be their very best

...and then there are those that ride their talents and then there are those like Tyson Nash who should have never made the NHL, but through sheer will and willing to do anything can make a living at playing

There are always a spectrum of ability/work ethic...which is why you have short careers, long careers, spectacular careers, underwhelming careers.
 

cobra427

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You have to stop being so incredibly naive. These guys don’t get to this level and stay at this level, without taking those looks in the mirror, when the chips are down.
You don’t handle fristration well, do you Jakey?
I also think high expectations are set as well. Crouse had a good year, maybe he way over achieved. When a player has some success, it seems like there is a new bar set. I don't think its lack of hustle or somebody not being engaged, for the most part, its just a tough game and guys are only so good. I also think when guys you expect to get points don't (Crouse/Hayton last year) or you expect to get goals don't (Schmaltz), then the player isn't working hard or seems not engaged. Many here fail to realize that goals and points are only one part of the game, screens (Hayton) lead to many goals last year, Crouse/Schmaltz PK, etc, all 3 have been very solid on D and our bext defensive forwards.

Once Crouse gets a few more points and Schmaltz a few goals, we won't be talking about them, I like both palyers.
 

Vinny Boombatz

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I'd trade Crouse for Pinto and hope Pinto develops chemistry with linemates

Plus, we need Center depth and Pinto I think is the right gamble

I'd trade Hayton too, but you'd have to get back a Center or hope Doan can fill the spot
 

Arizonatah Coyetis

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I don't think Crouse or Schmaltz will be a part of the core in a season or two with But and Iginla (Doan too) knocking at the door. But I'd rather they don't sell low. Now is probably not the time to trade either of them for several reasons.
 
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LittlePipes

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You have to stop being so incredibly naive. These guys don’t get to this level and stay at this level, without taking those looks in the mirror, when the chips are down.
You don’t handle fristration well, do you Jakey?
jakey is right. the uhc w-l record proves it. reality.

I don't think Crouse or Schmaltz will be a part of the core in a season or two with But and Iginla (Doan too) knocking at the door. But I'd rather they don't sell low. Now is probably not the time to trade either of them for several reasons.
“always trade a player a year early as opposed to a year late”
 

Jakey53

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You have to stop being so incredibly naive. These guys don’t get to this level and stay at this level, without taking those looks in the mirror, when the chips are down.
You don’t handle fristration well, do you Jakey?
Stop with your stupidity. IF any NHL player is not playing to their potential over a period of time they better look in the mirror. That goes for any job. Weren't you the one that said this is on the players not the coach? Tired of excuses for this team. Not sure if it's lack of talent, lack of effort, wrong system or poor coaching but as it stands today Utah is not good enough, at this stage of their rebuild.
 
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