God Says No
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You and me both. Pretty much every trade proposal HSF makes is for Stewart. I think he is the complete opposite of what we should be targeting.
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You and me both. Pretty much every trade proposal HSF makes is for Stewart. I think he is the complete opposite of what we should be targeting.
FolignoQuantumLeap
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I think Stewart would just block Stone from getting prime ice time. Ryan and Stone should be the top 6 RWers next year imo. I'm more worried about our incredibly weak left side.
And he doesn't fit into this while emerging narrative of ditching lazy Spezza to become a hard nosed 111% effort style game at all.
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BigRig4
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Not huge on him, haven't seen him a ton though. Heard he's definitely not a power forward but if he scores 20+ then I'm pretty happy and I could definitely see him doing that on a MacArthur-Turris line. Plus they would help shelter his apparently bad defense.
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Palmieri and Sbisa would be pretty redundant here IMO.
We already have enough of players that will be fighting for the same roles.
I don't think Palmieri will ever be anything more than a 2/3 tweener, while Sbisa would add to the log-jam for the last three defensive spots (Phillips, Gryba, Wiercioch and Boro).
The 10th overall is really the only piece we might be able to turn in to something useful out of that deal.
I'm hoping Puempel or Prince could be the other guy that shores up the left side (if we extend Mac). In the mean time though it still needs to be addressed. There isn't really money to address that issue either, unless they trade Spezza and then use the newly found cap space to pursue a guy like Moulson or Jokinen.
We already have enough of players that will be fighting for the same roles.
I don't think Palmieri will ever be anything more than a 2/3 tweener, while Sbisa would add to the log-jam for the last three defensive spots (Phillips, Gryba, Wiercioch and Boro).
The 10th overall is really the only piece we might be able to turn in to something useful out of that deal.
I'm hoping Puempel or Prince could be the other guy that shores up the left side (if we extend Mac). In the mean time though it still needs to be addressed. There isn't really money to address that issue either, unless they trade Spezza and then use the newly found cap space to pursue a guy like Moulson or Jokinen.
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What I would like to do though...
Trade Spezza to STL along with Wiercioch for Shattenkirk along with Berglund and Ott's rights (both sound like they wont be getting resigned)
Sign Penner
Sign either Kulemin or Downie
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Patrik Berglund ($3.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
Dustin Penner ($2.500m) / Steve Ott ($3.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.750m)
Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Erik Condra ($1.250m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.250m)
Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
Eric Gryba ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,716,667; BONUSES: $1,595,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $11,383,333
Trade Spezza to STL along with Wiercioch for Shattenkirk along with Berglund and Ott's rights (both sound like they wont be getting resigned)
Sign Penner
Sign either Kulemin or Downie
CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Patrik Berglund ($3.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
Dustin Penner ($2.500m) / Steve Ott ($3.000m) / Steve Downie ($2.750m)
Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
Erik Condra ($1.250m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.250m)
Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
Eric Gryba ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,716,667; BONUSES: $1,595,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $11,383,333
BigRig4
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It's not out of the realm of possibility that Buffalo isn't on Spezza's 10 team no-move list. If it's true that he was asked for his list in 2012 that means Buffalo was 18th in the league that year and hadn't hit rock bottom yet. Maybe we move Spez to Buffalo and then TM flips him? He set a precedent for doing that this year with a few guys he got.. Shipped them out a couple days later. If that's the case I could see a deal centered around Stewart and Ehrhoff for Spezza + another piece, maybe Buffalo tries to get Shattenkirk out of that? Just tossing some ideas around.
Stewart is lazy, but he could explode offensively in an offense-first system. His production in Colorado and his production in St.Louis is night and day. He'll get plenty more scoring chances in Ottawa and his defensive weaknesses won't be highlighted as much.
Could be a nice buy-low pickup - but that's the key. I don't want to acquire Stewart if we have to overpay, or even pay full value for him after the season he just had. Something like Prince + 2015 2nd would be fair for both sides.
Could be a nice buy-low pickup - but that's the key. I don't want to acquire Stewart if we have to overpay, or even pay full value for him after the season he just had. Something like Prince + 2015 2nd would be fair for both sides.
stewart isnt lazy. Very common misconception. I think he was miscast in St Louis but on our team I think he will be fine. He uses his body to gain space around the net which is exactly what you want from a scorer and we dont have one of those. Bobby Ryan is more off the rush scorer
Same thing happened with Perron same thing with Seguin in Boston. Certain players just dont fit in certain systems
Same thing happened with Perron same thing with Seguin in Boston. Certain players just dont fit in certain systems
Ottawa wouldnt do that to spezza
Ottawa shows a lot of respect when trading players who have been around ottawa
FolignoQuantumLeap
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Buffalo is going to be at the top of every player's no trade list. It's probably the least desirable city to live in the whole league. And now they're in a long rebuild. Not a desirable location.
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Spezza has to submit a new list each season if asked so his 2012 list doesn't apply now.
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MacArthur-Turris-Stone
X-Zibanejad-Ryan
Smith-Da Costa-X
Grant-Pageau-Neil
Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Boyle
Phillips-Ceci
Anderson/Lehner
X's can be acquired by free agency and pieces in the Spezza trade (if it happens).
Other trade pieces for upgrades: Hoffman, Wiercioch, Prince, Cowen.
X-Zibanejad-Ryan
Smith-Da Costa-X
Grant-Pageau-Neil
Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Boyle
Phillips-Ceci
Anderson/Lehner
X's can be acquired by free agency and pieces in the Spezza trade (if it happens).
Other trade pieces for upgrades: Hoffman, Wiercioch, Prince, Cowen.
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Depending on the 2LW and whether Cowen bounces back I could see this roster making the playoffs, any idea what the salary hit on this team is roughly?
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Whoops, I was under the impression he was only allowed to submit a list once. No chance he accepts Buffalo then
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MacArthur (3.25M) -Turris (3.5M) -Stone (603K)
X-Zibanejad (894K) -Ryan (5.1M)
Smith (1.9M) -Da Costa (900k)-X
Grant (700K)-Pageau (613K)-Neil (1.9M)
Methot (3M)-Karlsson (6.5M)
Cowen (3.1M)-Boyle (4.5M)
Phillips (2.5M) -Ceci (894K)
Anderson (3.2M) Lehner (2M)
If I put Boyle, Da Costa, Grant and Lehner at 4.5M, 900K, 700K and 2M respectively, it comes out to about 45M.
That leaves a lot of money for just a 2LW and a 3RW, meaning there would be the ability to get quality players in those roles.
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Lehnsanity
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I'd make big changes to the roster - Spezza traded for a package that includes a top 6 forward, top 4 defenseman acquired by trading Wiercioch + prospect + pick, a 4th line enforcer acquired for a prospect + pick, and I'd sign a couple select free agents that fit our system, or fit into our long-term plans.
Keeping it realistic:
End result:
A little more unrealistic:
End result:
Keeping it realistic:
End result:
A little more unrealistic:
End result:
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Are we allowed to talk about trades other than Spezza?
I think the club will look to move Ryan this summer. He will not re sign with us and we can't afford to lose him for nothing. I know Philly is the popular spot to deal him - I wonder if we could get back a vorachek or a Simmonds for him
I think the club will look to move Ryan this summer. He will not re sign with us and we can't afford to lose him for nothing. I know Philly is the popular spot to deal him - I wonder if we could get back a vorachek or a Simmonds for him
FolignoQuantumLeap
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The other MAJOR issue with Stewart is that he's an UFA after next season. Do we really need to add to that list of pending free agents in 2015? Our team could get decimated by free agency.
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That would look pretty bad on the team
If Ryan doesn't want to stay we are completely screwed
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