Off Season Trade Thread vol. IV: Spezza's Long Goodbye

[GoodGoodnotBad]

what about Dallas? a guy who writes for the Stars thinks Spezza would be a good fit there with a potential return of Trevor Daley or Brenden Dillon or Alex Chiasson and maybe Brett Ritchie. Could be a good option.

source http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/201...in-search-for-a-no-2-center-this-summer.html/

 

[Benjamin]

what about Dallas? a guy who writes for the Stars thinks Spezza would be a good fit there with a potential return of Trevor Daley or Brenden Dillon or Alex Chiasson and maybe Brett Ritchie. Could be a good option.

source http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/201...in-search-for-a-no-2-center-this-summer.html/

Brenden Dillon+ would be an amazing return for Spezza. I dont see it happening though.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Brenden Dillon+ would be an amazing return for Spezza. I dont see it happening though.

We know you really don't like Spezza but I think you're undervaluing him

He's a game breaker no matter how you feel about his injuries or defensive play

Spezza is easily worth a great prospect+

 

[Benjamin]

We know you really don't like Spezza but I think you're undervaluing him

He's a game breaker no matter how you feel about his injuries or defensive play

Spezza is easily worth a great prospect+

Its more of a "I dont see Dallas trading Dillon at all."

 

[Suiteness]

Spezza is easily worth a great prospect+

Spezza in the final year of his contract? I highly doubt that.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Fair enough

At the end of the day I think a lot of it depends on how ownership wants to see things go

If ownership says "we want to make the second round this year" I could see them trading a great prospect for a game breaker like Spezza

People often forget about expectations when saying team X would never trade prospect Y

Spezza in the final year of his contract? I highly doubt that.

I'm assuming Spezza will be traded with an extension ready to go. Murray would be an idiot if he didn't do everything he could to make sure that happens. Obviously not entirely in his control but I also have faith that Spezza is going to be looking to extend with the team he's traded to.

 

[Busboy]

I wish people would stop pretending like they have any clue what his trade value is. We're all shooting in the dark...

I see people saying Forsberg out of Nashville is not possible but he was traded for Martin Freaking Erat. When Turris was traded out of Nashville nobody thought the Sens would give up a top prospect like Runblad.

It's impossible to predict. Speculating is fun, but if you think you have any clue what's going in during GM negotiations then you are delusional.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I wish people would stop pretending like they have any clue what his trade value is. We're all shooting in the dark...

I see people saying Forsberg out of Nashville is not possible but he was traded for Martin Freaking Erat. When Turris was traded out of Nashville nobody thought the Sens would give up a top prospect like Runblad.

It's impossible to predict. Speculating is fun, but if you think you have any clue what's going in during GM negotiations then you are delusional.

Either roster players are worth more than fans usually think, or prospects are worth less.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Cullen posted his evaluation of where we stand

http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=452221

The big takeaway here is everything is going to rest on Cowen's shoulders yet again: if he performs we should be good, if not it's going to leave a giant hole in our D. I don't like the situation at all but we're stuck with it

Here is Cullen's proposed line up for next year

(he trades Spezza for Palmieri + Sbisa + 10th overall and signs Grabovski)

 

[Valar Morghulis]

what about Dallas? a guy who writes for the Stars thinks Spezza would be a good fit there with a potential return of Trevor Daley or Brenden Dillon or Alex Chiasson and maybe Brett Ritchie. Could be a good option.

source http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/201...in-search-for-a-no-2-center-this-summer.html/

Dallas would be a great team to trade with. They could run a Seguin - Spezza - Eakin trio and have plenty of great prospects and young roster players that we could use.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Cullen posted his evaluation of where we stand

http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=452221

The big takeaway here is everything is going to rest on Cowen's shoulders yet again: if he performs we should be good, if not it's going to leave a giant hole in our D. I don't like the situation at all but we're stuck with it

Here is Cullen's proposed line up for next year

(he trades Spezza for Palmieri + Sbisa + 10th overall and signs Grabovski)

That lineup makes my eyes bleed.
They obviously wouldn't break up MacArthur-Turris-Ryan, which means the 2nd line would be Palmeiri-Grabovski-Stone That's a pretty underwhelming 2nd line.

That off-season would be totally unacceptable.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

That lineup makes my eyes bleed.
They obviously wouldn't break up the MacArthur-Turris-Ryan line up, which means the 2nd line would be Palmeiri-Grabovski-Stone That's a pretty underwhelming 2nd line.

That off-season would be totally unacceptable.

Not to mention 4 players on one way contracts, and 2 spots on the bottom pair. Sbisa is a nice player, I just don't see him being a fix, or really even a fit on the Senators blueline. Trade doesn't make a tonne of sense. Even if that team makes the playoffs, it's a squeak in and get trounced in the first round kinda team.

 

[The Fuhr*]

Wait a second.....isn't that arena down there totally profitable. Like, one of the busiest arenas in the state? Isn't that why the Panthers were considered to be super stable, even with twenty fans in the building? So what the heck are they looking for public money?

New ownership upgraded the arena and area around it... They want public money to off set that.

 

[The Fuhr*]

That lineup makes my eyes bleed.
They obviously wouldn't break up MacArthur-Turris-Ryan, which means the 2nd line would be Palmeiri-Grabovski-Stone That's a pretty underwhelming 2nd line.

That off-season would be totally unacceptable.

That roster fits the budget... Might be the best the Sens can do

 

[Qward]

Add New Jersey, they don't call that place the armpit of the United States for no reason. That's 9.

Edited to add: Could Nashville be #10? Seems like a franchise that is condemned to settle for last wildcard spot forever and ever.

yeah, I was thinking NJ.

Nashville could be a good spot for him though. Play with Weber allows him to continue his style and they got a new offensive minded coach in Laviolette.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Not to mention 4 players on one way contracts, and 2 spots on the bottom pair. Sbisa is a nice player, I just don't see him being a fix, or really even a fit on the Senators blueline. Trade doesn't make a tonne of sense. Even if that team makes the playoffs, it's a squeak in and get trounced in the first round kinda team.

Getting a winger and a defender for Spezza makes a lot of sense to me

Gives us decent youth with upside and a good shot at a high pick in 2015

We're broke, we're not making waves in the playoffs anytime soon and ownership's "we got a huge TV deal but we're not going to spend any of it on the roster" means they are doing a horrible job at selling their product meaning attendence will remain an issue and the budget isn't going to increase for it

This very well could be the best we can hope for

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

Getting the 10th overall pick is the reason that Palmieri and Sbisa deal is reasonable. While we don't get a top echelon guy back in the deal, the 10th overall in the hands of our scouts would land us another upper echelon piece. And Palmieri and Sbisa are both solid young players who would immediately help out.

This draft is not up to par with the last few years perhaps, but we got Ceci and Lazar at #15 and #17, respectively in the last two years. We should be able to land a similar player at #10 in this draft.

 

[The Fuhr*]

If that deal with the Ducks happened... It basically be
Spezza + Silfvberg + Noesen
For
Ryan + Pamleri + Sbisa

Decent

 

[Benjamin]

Getting the 10th overall pick is the reason that Palmieri and Sbisa deal is reasonable. While we don't get a top echelon guy back in the deal, the 10th overall in the hands of our scouts would land us another upper echelon piece. And Palmieri and Sbisa are both solid young players who would immediately help out.

This draft is not up to par with the last few years perhaps, but we got Ceci and Lazar at #15 and #17, respectively in the last two years. We should be able to land a similar player at #10 in this draft.

The player drafted 10th overall will be decent. 5th-15th overall is very wide open. Could get a similar player at 10 as the a team gets at 5th.

 

[God Says No]

I think we're looking at something more than 'decent'. Otherwise trading Spezza does not make sense.

 

[derriko]

what about Dallas? a guy who writes for the Stars thinks Spezza would be a good fit there with a potential return of Trevor Daley or Brenden Dillon or Alex Chiasson and maybe Brett Ritchie. Could be a good option.

source http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/201...in-search-for-a-no-2-center-this-summer.html/

I think the Stars have some good pieces, but I don't think those guys are it.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I think we're looking at something more than 'decent'. Otherwise trading Spezza does not make sense.

Context matters here

We have limited funds and we absolutely need to retain Ryan, MacArthur and Methot ( those two are less important but still critical I'd say)

If we have to choose between Ryan and Spezza, considering the average age of the team retaining Ryan makes more sense

Obviously if we weren't broke we'd keep everyone, sign Hemsky and Michalek and see how the D plays out to start next season and adjust on the fly if Cowen sucks again

But we can't so we need to plan, budget and manage accordingly and that might mean settling on less than optimal value when trading Spezza

 

[Benjamin]

I think we're looking at something more than 'decent'. Otherwise trading Spezza does not make sense.

"decent" is arbitrary.

 

[God Says No]

Context matters here

We have limited funds and we absolutely need to retain Ryan, MacArthur and Methot ( those two are less important but still critical I'd say)

If we have to choose between Ryan and Spezza, considering the average age of the team retaining Ryan makes more sense

Obviously if we weren't broke we'd keep everyone, sign Hemsky and Michalek and see how the D plays out to start next season and adjust on the fly if Cowen sucks again

But we can't so we need to plan, budget and manage accordingly and that might mean settling on less than optimal value when trading Spezza

I agree, but I think going forward our budget should be enough to keep majority of the key players. Note the emphasis on should. It's very hard to tell really what the real budge is, and what it will be in a couple years.

If the budget is real tight, I bet we can get some prospect/picks that are better than "decent". Like I said, otherwise no point in trading him.

 

[SensAreReligion]

This offseason is going to make my brain implode