Off Season Trade Thread vol. IV: Spezza's Long Goodbye

[Gil Gunderson]

Are we allowed to talk about trades other than Spezza?

I think the club will look to move Ryan this summer. He will not re sign with us and we can't afford to lose him for nothing. I know Philly is the popular spot to deal him - I wonder if we could get back a vorachek or a Simmonds for him

If Philly is a favorite to land him, I doubt they'll move assets for him. They could probably get him for free once he hits UFA.

 

[guyzeur]

I'd make big changes to the roster - Spezza traded for a package that includes a top 6 forward, top 4 defenseman acquired by trading Wiercioch + prospect + pick, a 4th line enforcer acquired for a prospect + pick, and I'd sign a couple select free agents that fit our system, or fit into our long-term plans.


A little more unrealistic:
Sign Stastny - offer him 8M+ a season using the savings from the Ehrhoff contract

You can't blow up your salary structure by giving 8M+ to Stastny Jr even if your budget allow it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The other MAJOR issue with Stewart is that he's an UFA after next season. Do we really need to add to that list of pending free agents in 2015? Our team could get decimated by free agency.

Meh. If Spezza is traded that just leaves Methot, MacArthur and Anderson.

Methot is a likely bet to re-sign given he's from Ottawa and currently is paired with one of the best defensemen in the league.

MacArthur has shown he cares about winning, and his competitiveness has been off the charts since coming to Ottawa. I think there's a good chance he re-signs in Ottawa, especially with a culture change with Spezza leaving that increases the work ethic and competitiveness of the team.

Anderson I would expect to leave for free agency if Lehner steps his game up next season. Lehner is unquestionably our goalie of the future - if he shows he's capable of handling the starting job for extended periods of time, I don't see Anderson staying in Ottawa to potentially back up a younger, more talented goaltender.

Regarding Stewart, he's from Ontario and if we trade for him he'd likely get a great opportunity to succeed in Ottawa on the top 2 lines. I think our system is a good fit for him, and he'd probably put up solid numbers in the offense-first system that MacLean is running. We'd have all season to extend him, which gives us a pretty good shot at re-signing him beyond next season.

 

[StayThirstyMyFriend]

Would anyone want to take a chance and deal spezza to a crappy team like Florida in exchange for thir first pick next year? You'd be rolling the dice hoping they tank so the team could be in the Connor mcdavid sweepstakes. That could turn into 2 high picks if the Sens tank too. In the meantime the team could bring up the young guys next season to see who belongs here.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Anderson I would expect to leave for free agency if Lehner steps his game up next season. Lehner is unquestionably our goalie of the future - if he shows he's capable of handling the starting job for extended periods of time, I don't see Anderson staying in Ottawa to potentially back up a younger, more talented goaltender.

Lehner will need to take huge steps this year if Anderson leaves. His weaknesses are still prevalent and he still has maturing to do IMO.

 

[Benjamin]

Are we allowed to talk about trades other than Spezza?

I think the club will look to move Ryan this summer. He will not re sign with us and we can't afford to lose him for nothing. I know Philly is the popular spot to deal him - I wonder if we could get back a vorachek or a Simmonds for him

If Ryan doesn't re-sign this summer, we're screwed. He's in the same situation as Spezza, not gonna get full value. Not gonna get Voracek or Simmonds. That would be a forced rebuild.

 

[Hale The Villain]

You can't blow up your salary structure by giving 8M+ to Stastny Jr even if your budget allow it.

If we were considering extending Spezza (which would have costed 7M a season), we can handle a younger, better Stastny at 8M+, especially considering the money saved from the Ehrhoff contract.

Getting a top 4 defenseman of Ehrhoff's caliber would cost 6M+ in free agency. For the remaining 7 years of his contract, he makes an average of 2.57M a season in actual salary. With 50% retained that number falls even further. We'd effectively be saving 3-4M dollars a season by paying our #2 defenseman the salary of a bottom pairing defenseman. That money can be used to overpay for a player like Stastny.

This is not even considering the fact that trading for Ehrhoff and signing Stastny unquestionably makes us a playoff team, and likely one that has a chance of going beyond round one - further adding to the revenue of the team, offsetting Stastny's inflated salary.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We're not going to be able to land Stastny

He wants to win, not hope that we can maybe afford to maybe spend more on our roster to maybe try to make the second round of the playoffs

We're not getting any UFA this year

 

[guyzeur]

If we were considering extending Spezza (which would have costed 7M a season), we can handle a younger, better Stastny at 8M+, especially considering the money saved from the Ehrhoff contract.

Getting a top 4 defenseman of Ehrhoff's caliber would cost 6M+ in free agency. For the remaining 7 years of his contract, he makes an average of 2.57M a season in actual salary. With 50% retained that number falls even further. We'd effectively be saving 3-4M dollars a season by paying our #2 defenseman the salary of a bottom pairing defenseman. That money can be used to overpay for a player like Stastny.

This is not even considering the fact that trading for Ehrhoff and signing Stastny unquestionably makes us a playoff team, and likely one that has a chance of going beyond round one - further adding to the revenue of the team, offsetting Stastny's inflated salary.

I am not arguing the logics, it's about the salary structure. You can't give Jr 8M. And Junior is only 2 years younger than Spezza

 

[Benjamin]

Stastny is not worth anything north of 6mil. We cant afford him and he wont come here.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

stewart isnt lazy. Very common misconception. I think he was miscast in St Louis but on our team I think he will be fine. He uses his body to gain space around the net which is exactly what you want from a scorer and we dont have one of those. Bobby Ryan is more off the rush scorer

Same thing happened with Perron same thing with Seguin in Boston. Certain players just dont fit in certain systems

The problem with Stewart was he didn't use his body to create space. He's an off the rush guy who doesn't play physical and is a defensive liability. He will drop the gloves but don't expect any hitting. He is also a huge liability defensively and can't work a cycle properly. He has all the tools but it just seems like he can't put it all together.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

That would look pretty bad on the team

If Ryan doesn't want to stay we are completely screwed

If Philly is a favorite to land him, I doubt they'll move assets for him. They could probably get him for free once he hits UFA.

If Ryan doesn't re-sign this summer, we're screwed. He's in the same situation as Spezza, not gonna get full value. Not gonna get Voracek or Simmonds. That would be a forced rebuild.

I realize we wouldn't be getting full value but unless one of vorachek or Simmonds can play left wing, they'd have a log jam at RW.

I hope bobby re signs. I just have a feeling he was one of the guys that didnt see eye to eye with the "new" Maclean. Lets hope I'm wrong

 

[Caeldan]

I realize we wouldn't be getting full value but unless one of vorachek or Simmonds can play left wing, they'd have a log jam at RW.

I hope bobby re signs. I just have a feeling he was one of the guys that didnt see eye to eye with the "new" Maclean. Lets hope I'm wrong

Well the 'new' Maclean should be gone and the old Maclean back... fingers crossed anyway.
I still think we'd be silly to trade Spezza, and budget permitting do everything in our power to keep Hemsky. I mean if he's signing for like 7.5M or something ridiculous cause someone with space is tossing money his way, obviously pass. But 5-6M on a short term deal would be good I think... basically argue that with him we're a bubble playoff team but with Spezza he builds up his argument for a raise on the next contract too. So if the two of them continue to hit it off - we end up in the playoffs and everyone gets what they want.
And if it doesn't work out, well a year or two later we part ways.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Ryan is going to re-sign

He has to!

 

[Benjamin]

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Dan Boyle will not be back next season, Doug Wilson confirms #SJSharks

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Same was said about Havlat

I guess we might be able to sign two UFAs after all

Over-the-hill UFAs FTW!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Same was said about Havlat

I guess we might be able to sign two UFAs after all

Over-the-hill UFAs FTW!

I'd love to get Boyle here. Could be a good mentor for Ceci, while also being a stopgap.

 

[Caeldan]

I could see Boyle as a Gonchar type vet D.

I mean he's not terrible, just not top 10 cap hit for a defenseman good.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The Sharks fans are adamant that Boyle is nothing more than a PP specialist

I guess that is something we could use but he's pretty much done as far as defensive play goes if San Jose fans are to be believed

 

[Caeldan]

The Sharks fans are adamant that Boyle is nothing more than a PP specialist

I guess that is something we could use but he's pretty much done as far as defensive play goes if San Jose fans are to be believed

Would have to go back and watch games... because I mean when you are paying someone at a 6.7M cap hit, you probably expect more out of them than being a PP specialist (other than I suppose next year if your name is PK Subban).

Pretty sure that was the talk about Gonchar when we signed him (and while I thought the contract was too long), and he generally turned out alright here.

edit: Quick look at their board and he seems to be getting a Redden type send-off... where it was generally accepted that it's time to move on and he's going to get overpaid elsewhere (thank you NYR!) but appreciate the time spent there.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Ryan is going to re-sign

He has to!

He seems like he wants to be here long-term, but if i was him, i wouldn't be signing an extension, especially if i see Spezza moved for future parts.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

He seems like he wants to be here long-term, but if i was him, i wouldn't be signing an extension, especially if i see Spezza moved for future parts.

I'm a debbie downer when it comes to the Senators these days but I'm not going there

Ryan is signing a long term extension in Ottawa

LALALALALALALALA

 

[OttawaSenators11]

I'm a debbie downer when it comes to the Senators these days but I'm not going there

Ryan is signing a long term extension in Ottawa

LALALALALALALALA

I think he will as well, but i was just saying i wouldn't as i don't think the team can win anything with this non committed ownership.

I would play out the year and ultimately choose a place to go where i have the best chance at winning meaningful games long-term.

 

[Stylizer1]

He seems like he wants to be here long-term, but if i was him, i wouldn't be signing an extension, especially if i see Spezza moved for future parts.

I don't see Ryan as a go to guy on his own. Turris and Mac are cool but they are not top tier guys. A lot of pressure would be on Ryan as our top forward. His positive attitude can only take so much.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

That's not something his agent is likely to recommend

If he gets hurt or has a bad year it really, really hurts his earning potential