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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt V: Spring(er) has Sprung: Jays sign OF George Springer (6y/$150m)

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Discoverer said:
Yeah, peak Wells was a really good player, and if the Jays got peak Wells value (around a 4 WAR player over a multi-year stretch) that would be awesome. I'm just saying Springer has been quite a bit better than that so far in his career, particularly offensively.
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Someone that can actually play baseball would be nice.
 
Cloned said:
I like Jansen but C is a need based on the performance over the last two seasons.
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Jansen would be around 1.5 WAR in a full season and that's with the really unlucky offensive numbers he had last year. Kirk arrived last year and Moreno is close if one of those two falters. Catching is definitely a weak point production-wise in the last few years but there is talent in the system that's close or is with the team.
 
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Imagine going into a 3 game series and getting like Ryu, a lefty with spin and control, then they throw 100mph Pearson at you and then finish with Hendricks who has like the slowest fastball in the league and then like Ray or Walker. Would definitely present a lot of different looks within a series.
 
canucksfan said:
Jansen would be around 1.5 WAR in a full season and that's with the really unlucky offensive numbers he had last year. Kirk arrived last year and Moreno is close if one of those two falters. Catching is definitely a weak point production-wise in the last few years but there is talent in the system that's close or is with the team.
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I’d still try for Realmuto because it allows you to trade Jansen for a #2 pitcher. Kirk would still get playing time as the backup.
 
Cloned said:
Build the strongest lineup possible.
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It's not a unlimited pool of resources no matter how much we would all like it to be. Catcher simply is not an area of need for this team right now...at all. Why blow 20-30 million a year when we already have a good major league catcher in house and can divert that money to actual helping us sign better pitchers or be able to make another splash in an even stronger free agency next off season. It just makes zero sense to me with Springer now signed.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
It's not a unlimited pool of resources no matter how much we would all like it to be. Catcher simply is not an area of need for this team right now...at all. Why blow 20-30 million a year when we already have a good major league catcher in house and can divert that money to actual helping us sign better pitchers or be able to make another splash in an even stronger free agency next off season. It just makes zero sense.
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You can trade Jansen for a elite SP if you sign Realmuto. You can upgrade two positions simultaneously.
 
Cloned said:
I like Jansen but C is a need based on the performance over the last two seasons.
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Projections have him at above replacement level. Not all-star worthy but still very good behind the plate and mediocre with the bat. I still dont see Realmuto as a need unless we can't sign or trade for another big name.
 
Man Bear Pig said:
Projections have him at above replacement level. Not all-star worthy but still very good behind the plate and mediocre with the bat. I still dont see Realmuto as a need unless we can't sign or trade for another big name.
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I just think it’s logical to sign the best FA catcher, allowing you to trade Jansen for pitching.
 
Cloned said:
You can trade Jansen for a elite SP if you sign Realmuto.
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You hope you can. There is no guarantee that is how the trade market plays out. And if it doesn't work out you are left with a depreciating asset sitting on the bench in Jansen and you blew your load on Realmuto. I just don't see the need to spend that kind of money when we can simply just sign pitchers or if we sign Brantley trade one of our outfielders for pitching help.
 
TheBeastCoast said:
You hope you can. There is no guarantee that is how the trade market plays out. And if it doesn't work out you are left with a depreciating asset sitting on the bench in Jansen and you blew your load on Realmuto. I just don't see the need to spend that kind of money when we can simply just sign pitchers or if we sign Brantley trade one of our outfielders for pitching help.
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You only sign him if you have a trade worked out.

I’d sign Brantley too and trade both Grichuk and Jansen, like I originally posted.
 
canucksfan said:
Sure but I wouldn't overpay for Realmuto now especially for a deal that is 6 years and maybe even 5 years.
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You’re either overpaying for Realmuto or you’re overpaying for a free agent SP. At least if you sign Realmuto and trade Jansen you can target a more cost controlled pitcher in the trade.
 
Man Bear Pig said:
So why not just hold onto him? Hes cheap. The $20ish million used on Realmuto could get you Paxton and Tanaka or be used to get Bauer.
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I guess the question is if a Jansen package could return someone better (and more cost controlled) than Paxton and Tanaka.
 
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Man Bear Pig said:
Realmuto isn't a better catcher than Martin was. Martin was a 6.2 WAR catcher when he signed here. Realmuto is close to that, but let's not pretend he's better. Cost of doing business has gone up, sure, but when guys like Bauer are still out there, that's where you overpay IMO. The catcher position is a strength already. I'm not saying dont sign Realmuto, I just cant see Atkins topping the Phillies offer for a catcher pushing 30 for $20 million a year when there's 3 or 4 cheap options in the system.
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Signing Realmuto at 29 is better then when we signed Martin at 31. Remember Martin gave us 2 productive seasons on his contract which translates to age 33. That would be 3 productive seasons if the same holds true with Realmuto. So signing him to a 5 year deal isnt all that bad when you consider that Martin still had defensive value his last 3 years of his contract not to mention added some offensively.

By signing Realmuto you do two things:

1. Free up assets to fill other positions like 3B and SP

2. Become more appealing to SP via free agency moving forward

By acquiring Realmuto we can have players like Jansen, Kirk, Moreno, Grichuk and prospects to acquire to fill other holes.
 
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Cloned said:
I guess the question is if a Jansen package could return someone better (and more cost controlled) than Paxton and Tanaka.
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Unlikely tbh. A package for an elite starter would probably require a prospect none of us would like to give up.
 
Important to remember that if an elite pitcher is coming to the Jays, they have to get paid as well. So their premium over the pieces moved out gets added to the money spent on Realmuto. Jansen does not make a lot of money
 
Man Bear Pig said:
Unlikely tbh. A package for an elite starter would probably require a prospect none of us would like to give up.
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Might be less prospect capital than you think, given the trade trend lately of teams not giving up their top prospects.
 
BlueForever75 said:
Signing Realmuto at 29 is better then when we signed Martin at 31. Remember Martin gave us 2 productive seasons on his contract which translates to age 33. That would be 3 productive seasons if the same holds true with Realmuto. So signing him to a 5 year deal isnt all that bad when you consider that Martin still had defensive value his last 3 years of his contract not to mention added some offensively.

By signing Realmuto you do two things:

1. Free up assets to fill other positions like 3B and SP

2. Become more appealing to SP via free agency moving forward

By acquiring Realmuto we can have players like Jansen, Kirk, Moreno, Grichuk and prospects to acquire to fill other holes.
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I just dont like the idea of a team with an internal budget throwing that kinda money at a catcher approaching 30. Keep in mind here, some of these young guys are gonna need contracts in upcoming years. Suddenly we're all wondering why so much money was dumped into some of these free agents. This will never be a luxury tax team. I think we need to be looking at positions of need first before we assume we can sign luxuries and deal prospects for top-end pitchers. Try for Bauer and Brantley first and foremost.
 
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If we sign Brantley, Mets might be interested in Grichuk. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind keeping Grichuk as the 4th OF.
 
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Cloned said:
I guess the question is if a Jansen package could return someone better (and more cost controlled) than Paxton and Tanaka.
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Definitely. You can acquire a pitcher like Hendricks or Gray easily.

The deal to make is with the Reds. You target a deal for Gray and Moustakas/Castellanos. If you want to go big you try for Suarez with Gray. But I think that will cost too much prospect capital. But for a team like Cincy that is trying to crunch dollars. Gray and Moustakas/Castellanos would be more feasible and deal would look similar to Lindor/Carrasco deal with a slight decline in what Jays need to give up.

This would fill a SP and 3B position on our roster.
 
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