Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt III | Winter meetings are over. Still waiting for stuff to happen

[canucksfan]

Unless I am missing something that's quite a bit to give up for one year of Lindor. Granted he could still sign an extension but me might not.

 

[Gargyn]

Unless I am missing something that's quite a bit to give up for one year of Lindor. Granted he could still sign an extension but me might not.

He will sign. As long as he’s offered a fair contract he will sign.

 

[phillipmike]

https://sny.tv/articles/what-s-next...ing-for-francisco-lindor-and-carlos-carrasco-

The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer Springer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. The Toronto Blue Jays, meanwhile, recently made an opening offer to Springer in the $115 million range, per sources briefed on those talks

With Lindor on board, the Mets are less likely to sign Springer. Here’s why: The team will not exceed the $210 million luxury tax threshold this offseason. We’re not sure where the notion came from that money is no object for Steve Cohen’s Mets; it certainly didn’t come from Cohen, Sandy Alderson or Jared Porter. And it is far from the truth.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Leafin]

Not feeling a long term commitment to a reliever. Don’t care how good he is.

 

[dredeye]

Not feeling a long term commitment to a reliever. Don’t care how good he is.

Not at the money he’s likely looking for as well

 

[dredeye]

I wonder if we circle back on Bryant now. I can’t imagine the cost to us would be huge.

 

[Woodman19]

I am enjoying the despair of the players who were walking into the offseason expecting a business as usual type of offers to come their way only to get hit with the reality of what business looks like when Billions of dollars of revenue are missing.

 

[phillipmike]

Marcus Stroman calls out Blue Jays for shying away on Lindor/Carrasco



Stroman’s now deleted tweet on the Jays’ Shapiro and Atkins.

 

[Bjindaho]

Marcus Stroman calls out Blue Jays for shying away on Lindor/Carrasco



Stroman’s now deleted tweet on the Jays’ Shapiro and Atkins.

Good thing he's gone.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

Good thing he's gone.

cant wait for him to get lit up this year and blame it all on his time in toronto

 

[Gargyn]

Marcus Stroman calls out Blue Jays for shying away on Lindor/Carrasco



Stroman’s now deleted tweet on the Jays’ Shapiro and Atkins.

Stroman can suck a dick. He’s a garbage pitcher and garbage teammate.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Stroman is like an angry ex girlfriend. The funny thing is, the Mets may need to dump salary to sign both Lindor and Springer, and he may end up somewhere else.

 

[Discoverer]

Stroman is like an angry ex girlfriend. The funny thing is, the Mets may need to dump salary to sign both Lindor and Springer, and he may end up somewhere else.

If they extend Lindor and sign Springer, they'll have something like $140 million committed to seven players next year. The doesn't include Syndergaard, Stroman, and Conforto, who would all be basically guaranteed to leave as free agents.

Signing Springer wouldn't be the craziest thing, but that would all but guarantee Lindor is just a rental. I'm guessing they're done with major additions.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Mets' bold Lindor deal will impact Blue Jays' options moving forward - Sportsnet.ca

The Blue Jays plan to add an infielder this winter, and we can now say definitively that they aren’t getting the best one available. Of course, there are still all kinds of options in free agency (DJ LeMahieu, Didi Gregorius, Marcus Semien, Andrelton Simmons, Kolten Wong) and trade (Mike Moustakas, Eugenio Suarez, Kris Bryant, Javy Baez).

With many names available, a clear need in Toronto, money to spend and prospects to trade, it would be stunning if the Blue Jays were shut out from the infield market altogether. They will almost certainly add here.

Still, the Blue Jays were in a better position when Lindor was available because his presence provided the club with an alternate path ahead in case they missed out on top free agents. Now, the best option of all is no longer on the market, and some possibilities are closed off for the Blue Jays as a result.

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The addition of Lindor might mean the Mets are less likely to pursue infielders like LeMahieu, but the Blue Jays’ main rivals for his services appear to be the Yankees and Dodgers, regardless. The LeMahieu market might not change all that much just yet.

As for Springer, it stands to reason the Mets would still have interest as Lindor doesn’t fundamentally change the complexion of their outfield. According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, the Mets “remain involved” in talks for Springer, but Andy Martino of SNY reported that Springer is “less likely” for the Mets after the trade with Cleveland.

One variable to watch: the competitive balance tax. After the trade, the Mets now have $177.7 million committed to their 2021 payroll, or a little more than $30 million to work with before bumping up against the $210 million competitive balance tax. That could allow them to sign Springer and stay under, though not by much. According to Martino, the Mets would likely have to shed payroll to sign Springer, and if there's a silver lining for the Blue Jays in all of this that might be it.

 

[phillipmike]

Depth Charts » Blue Jays | FanGraphs Baseball

Not the be all end all but the added advantage of the off-season so far is all or most of the talent have stayed in or gone to the NL so far. Padres get Snell, Darvish and Kim. Mets get McCann, Lindor, May and Carrassco to the Mets. Smyly and Morton to the Braves. Everyone except Darvish, Kim and Lynn.

Tampa lost Snell. Morton and Lowe. Indians lost Lindor and Carrasco. Both the Rays and Indians dropped below the Jays in total projected fWAR. Astros likely to lose Springer and Brantley. Will lose to Osuna and Verlander to injuries. Possibly losing Correra, McCullers and Grienke to free agency next year. A's likely losing Hendriks and Semien. Twins likely losing Odorizzi.

Yankees have LeMahieu, Tanaka, Happ and Paxton as free agents.

Dodgers, Padres and Mets are 1-2-3.

Here is the AL:
1. Yankees - 40.3 fWAR
2. Astros - 38.9 fWAR
3. Twins - 38.2 fWAR
4. Angels - 38.1 fWAR
5. White Sox - 37.9 fWAR
6. Athletics - 36.6 fWAR
7. Blue Jays - 35.8 fWAR

By the end of the off-season, the Jays can realistically surpass the A's, Twins and Astros. I suspect the White Sox, Yankees and Angels will make some sizable additions.

 

[Mathew]

All the media hype and talk for nothing

 

[stickty111]

All the media hype and talk for nothing

Season starting tomorrow?

 

[phillipmike]

I guess that answers our question. Once the Mets were on the table Lindor would negotiate a long term deal with them. Hence why they gave up a little more for him.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Gargyn]

I guess that answers our question. Once the Mets were on the table Lindor would negotiate a long term deal with them. Hence why they gave up a little more for him.

So even Lindor doesn’t want to play here. Sucks we have to overpay so much or wait until there are no other options for players. Not a level playing field at all.

 

[phillipmike]

So even Lindor doesn’t want to play here. Sucks we have to overpay so much or wait until there are no other options for players. Not a level playing field at all.

I read it as he wanted to play for the Mets more.

Sounds like we were a destination he preferred but he can’t play for 2 teams so he had to pick one. One team was going to miss out.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Bjindaho]

Pretty much the debate from here on whether Lourdes makes sense.

Gurriel plus Biggio is a complete non-starter.

 

[GoonieFace]

I was never a fan of trading Gurriel for Lindor. Hopefully this gets the ball rolling on the UFA market. Still think we get JBJ and Odorizzi