Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 15th: How's that dream job now, Farrell?
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Razor
Say no to Luongo.
Can anybody update me on Santos and Janssen in terms of their health. I know Drabek and Hutchison won't be seen until late next season, if at all. Thanks in advance.
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So there are a few pitchers in the division who are better than some of ours? Weird.
Hughes over Romero? Not sure if serious..
Lester is debatable (I wouldn't but some could argue) and Sabathia I definitely would June-October. He's one of the best after May every year
Razor
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Good to hear Nemesis. I'd love to see a healthy competition for that closer spot, it'll be the x-factor this season IMO.
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I figured with Dickey leading the NL in strikeouts and winning the CY Young i'd put him ahead of Sabathia, although its close. Lester was not very good last year.
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Seriously? Im on my iphone so i dont have the stats in front of me but Dickey has been way better in every pitching category compared to Lester over the past 2 seasons. Sabathia, ok fair enough. You could argue it from both sides.
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Well that division hitting wise and the NL in general isn't as strong. I would take last years Dickey over last years Lester but I see those 2 having similar ERAs next year (Lester bouncing back)
Sabathia is a slow starter but dominates after May. That's all I was saying there
Leafsdude7
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I don't think that's a good analogy to what the Jays did this year. They're all too young.
It'd be more like doing this last June:
Trade MacArthur (Escobar), Ashton (Hechavarria), Gustavsson (Mathis) Finn, McKegg, Biggs and D'Amigo (the 4 prospects) to Columbus for Nash (Reyes), Johanssen (Johnson), Umberger (Bonifacio), Wisniewski (Buehrle) and Curtis Sanford (Buck), then signing Zach Parise as a free agent, and then trade Kadri (d'Arnaud), Blacker (Syndergaard), Sanford (Buck) and Andrew Crescenzi (Becerra) to the Oilers for Ryan Smyth (Dickey), Devyn Dubnyk (Thole) and Olivier Roy (Nickeas).
Obviously, the specific comparisons I put in brackets aren't exactly the same, but, in the end, the combined value is about the same, even if it's hard to really compare the value of the different positions in the sports.
It also would probably decimate the Leafs prospect pool much more than it did with the Jays, as we really would only have Rielly, Colborne, Percey and Ross left as even somewhat notables, but you can't tell me this line up wouldn't become an instant contender:
Nash - Parise - Kessel
Lupul - Grabovsky - Kulemin
Smyth - Johanssen - Umberger
Rosehill/Prospal - Steckel/McClement - Brown/Orr/Lombardi
Phaneuf - Gardiner
Gunnarsson - Franson
Wisniewski - Schenn
Komisarek/Liles/Holzer
Reimer - Dubnyk
We could even still trade Schenn for vanReimsdyk and try to put him between Lupul and Parise while Nash and Kessel play with Grabs.
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I'm in the same boat, on my phone but comparing an AL pitcher to NL pitcher stats wise isn't fair. Last season no question though
Hughes over Romero is the funniest to me TBH.
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Good work but impossible to compare the sports but adding Dickey would be like adding Luongo or something (number 1 goalie whos aging). Point was, we took the best players from bottom teams, combined with Bautista missing a lot of time and you easily become a contender
If I remember right, I thought I remember Dickey coming out at the end of the season admitting he needs surgery and played hurt? I feel like it was his non-throwing shoulder?
I could be wrong tho..
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lester? are you kidding me? the guy that had the same ERA as henderson alvarez last season?
I agree with Sabathia but Dickey is better then Lester and Romero is better than Hughes. Hughes has been one of the most overrated, over -hyped players I've ever seen. Gets way too much credit for producing very minimal.
Dwight K Schrute said:
It's hopeless. Absolutely hopeless.
The facts have been presented time and time again. Arencibia has, at no point in his career, been an average or above-average hitter. Does that mean he won't become one? Not necessarily (who knows what could happen), but I certainly wouldn't bank on him becoming much more than average (and even then there's no guarantee).
I think a better comparison would be Johnson, buerhle, dickey solidifies are rotation so it's like going from Gustafson to a top 5 goalie like miller. Reyes would be like getting patty Kane and melky Cabrera would be like adding pomminville... But we already have a no1 c in Bautista ( number 3 hitter = top line centre)
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IMO Today:
Sabathia
Dickey
Greinke
Gio
Roy
Sabathia is still at the peak of his career and an absolute ace. If you believe Dickey is somwhere between what he was last year and 2011, then you're looking at him being #2. Greinke is proven in the AL, maybe the best stuff of this group, but ever so slightly inconsistent which bring down his numbers a tad. Gio as great as he was last year I don't think he's that good. Especially if you put him back in the AL. Roy is easily the best of the 5 over his career, but had a bit of a down year (still elite). I'd say he's #5 today, but a month into the season he could be #1.
Thole is going to catch more than Dickey. He'll still spell JP on night-day back to backs, plus you factor in a handful of lost games to injury (even minor you can expect 5 games). Id say he gets about 175.
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Source: #Angels have traded Kendrys Morales to the #Mariners for SP Jason Vargas.
I like that deal for the Mariners. Morales is a good bat and Vargas is just meh that benefits from pitching in that ballpark. Angels are going to have a great offense but their starting pitching is weak.
Source: #Angels have traded Kendrys Morales to the #Mariners for SP Jason Vargas.
I like that deal for the Mariners. Morales is a good bat and Vargas is just meh that benefits from pitching in that ballpark. Angels are going to have a great offense but their starting pitching is weak.
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