Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 13th: Report - Dickey extended, trade just pending physicals

[TootooTrain]

Does anyone know if Perez is back by ST or at least in the middle of the season? Or is he gone next year?

Not sure actually. I thought I heard that he wouldn't be coming back until july/august, but I could be wrong.

I wonder with such a stacked starting rotation if they just focus on Stroman being a reliever for now and possibly call up him mid season?

Would be a nice addition to the bullpen.

Things can change obviously, but he has always been projected as a reliever.

 

[MrPiff17]

Yeah I also wanna find out who the "non-elite" prospects are

 

[thatshype]

A relatively unspoken benefit of this whole off-season is that it takes A LOT of pressure off our bullpen. We now have 5 guys that are nearly 6IP guaranteed. Depending on what version of Romero we get this coming season, we could potentially have 5 SP's that are #1/#2 type pitchers. We shouldn't have many circumstances where we need LRP to go much more than a single inning.



And another thing about Dickey, Buerle, and Johnson...them moving to the AL means that they won't have to bat. Even though it theoretically means they'll face tougher matchups, it also eliminates extra wear-and-tear on their bodies as WELL as eliminates them being lifted for a pinch hitter. Both should mean that all three should have very good seasons in terms of IPs.

 

[topched]

The point? You still maintain your depth. Say you do that, you risk exposing Cecil or Rogers to the waivers who are surely to be claimed, Happ gets their spot. Josh Johnson goes down and now you need Happ to fill in that spot and all of a sudden, you are short of a bullpen arm and calling up guys like Dyson/Crawford. What happens when there are multiple injuries? This is why you need depth, its not fair sometimes but it is what it is when you have options. Look at what happened to John Lannon last year, he is a similar pitcher to Happ who started the season and spent most of his time in the minors because there was just no room for him and he was a guy that deserved to be in the majors (he was also making 5M in 2012).

Cecil isn't as bad as some make it out to be either. He sucks as a starter but I don't see any reason why he can't be a great reliever or at least a very good LOOGY. His stuff plays up and it allows him to focus on fewer pitchers... maybe he turns into the next Casey Janssen. Terrible as a starter who had huge platoon splits but is now a great reliever who doesn't have platoon splits anymore. Scott Downs was a terrible starter as well but turned into a great reliever who was elite at getting lefties out. Oliver was a poor starter as well. No sense in wasting a asset when you don't have to.

I've also said Delabar is an option to be sent down if there isn't enough room so it isn't like Happ would need to be sent down.

I agree wtih the strategy and I'm all for keeping depth... I just think if Happ and Delabar are clearly the better relievers, you can't deny them spots with the hope of hedging your bet against an injured starter.

Of course if Happ doesn't distance himself from Cecil in ST then its a no brainer... will be interesting to see how things play out. This is a conversation I don't think either of us thought we would get the luxury to have a few short months ago.

 

[thatshype]

I wonder with such a stacked starting rotation if they just focus on Stroman being a reliever for now and possibly call up him mid season?

Would be a nice addition to the bullpen.

Meh, with prospects in baseball, you shouldn't ever change their games to fit a current MLB squad. The timeline for prospects is long enough that it's hard/impossible to predict how the big league club will look when the prospect is ready.We shouldn't make changes to any of our minor league SP's just because we have a solid-5 in the MLB.

 

[Destroyer100]

I bet you John Farrel is kicking himself right now i know i would be if i was him.

 

[Habsfan18]

2 years, 25 million? That's a damn fine extension. Probably could have gotten more on the open market.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

In other news it looks like there is a good chance that Ashby is going to Houston. I would be very happy- can't stand the guy. Who do you guys think would take over--- a former player, wilner?

 

[Drew311]

Nah we don't. I'm pretty content with this lineup now.

No more trades are necessary.

I agree. Go with Lind as the 1B/DH and #5 hitter. If he ***** his pants then pick someone up at the trade deadline.

 

[topched]

2 years, 25 million? That's a damn fine extension. Probably could have gotten more on the open market.

Bet you he could have gotten close to double. Would not be surprised to see him get in the 40's for 2 more years.

When guys like Kuroda are getting 15 for 1... Dickey could have easily had a massive pay day on this pitching-poor fa market. Really great that he wants to be here, long term.

The one thing thats missing from Dickey's rags to riches success story? A climax involving a championship.

 

[thatshype]

I agree wtih the strategy and I'm all for keeping depth... I just think if Happ and Delabar are clearly the better relievers, you can't deny them spots with the hope of hedging your bet against an injured starter.

Of course if Happ doesn't distance himself from Cecil in ST then its a no brainer... will be interesting to see how things play out. This is a conversation I don't think either of us thought we would get the luxury to have a few short months ago.

I can see Nasty Nazem's point purely on an asset management level, but it's hard to ignore your point about wanting the best players available to us at any given time. Yes, if injuries become a major issue then we'd be kicking ourselves if somebody scooped up Cecil on the waiver wire. However like you said, if Happ performs better night-in and night-out, then at some point the extra quality innings will mean more to us. By all means, this is shaping up to be a playoff team with aspirations of the big title...we've already sacrificed some big future assets with the intentions of winning now. If keeping Happ on the roster and losing Cecil to waivers gives us a better team, then yes I think we need to do it.

 

[TruGr1t]

2 years, 25 million? That's a damn fine extension. Probably could have gotten more on the open market.

Agree. That is a fantastic contract ... that extension makes the deal look a heck of a lot more reasonable.

 

[topched]

In other news it looks like there is a good chance that Ashby is going to Houston. I would be very happy- can't stand the guy. Who do you guys think would take over--- a former player, wilner?

I would think Zauny's got a great inside track to that job.

As much as Zauny is way too over the top in his organizational analysis, talking about prospects etc.... his detail and "about the game" commentary is phenomenal. I think he's got a good shot.

 

[Natey]

I agree. Go with Lind as the 1B/DH and #5 hitter. If he ***** his pants then pick someone up at the trade deadline.

Agreed.

1. Reyes
2. Melky
3. Bautista
4. Edwin
5. Lind
6. Lawrie
7. Rasmus
8. Bonifacio/Izturis
9. Arencibia

Davis
Bonifacio/Izturis
Cooper (I guess?)
Thole

 

[McOilbleeder]

For the prospect, I'd take Flores if they'd add him and he can stick at 2B. He had a good season in AA and is only 21. He's a risk, but if he can continue to develop, he'd be a hell of an addition.

 

[TootooTrain]

In other news it looks like there is a good chance that Ashby is going to Houston. I would be very happy- can't stand the guy. Who do you guys think would take over--- a former player, wilner?

Doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as Buck, who was great during the mlb playoffs btw, and Jerry Howarth (radio) stay. I don't think Wilner would be a good fit at all. He has a vault of information and I just feel he would be barking all game long. The colour man should be someone with a good personality, but not over-powering if that makes any sense. Not to mention they have to have a decent voice. Hayhurst would be interesting. I'm not including Zaun because I think he stays on the 'Panel'.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Meh, with prospects in baseball, you shouldn't ever change their games to fit a current MLB squad. The timeline for prospects is long enough that it's hard/impossible to predict how the big league club will look when the prospect is ready.We shouldn't make changes to any of our minor league SP's just because we have a solid-5 in the MLB.

Many feel that he'll end up in the pen eventually though, and he was pitching out of the pen in the minors last year, prior to his suspension.

It certainly makes for an interesting predicament.

 

[Stats01]

For the prospect, I'd take Flores if they'd add him and he can stick at 2B. He had a good season in AA and is only 21. He's a risk, but if he can continue to develop, he'd be a hell of an addition.

Flores would be a nice get for the Jays and would ease the pain a bit of losing Syndergaard/D'Arnaud. Plus it makes perfect sense, we need a young prospect who can play SS/2B. Our depth at that position in the minors is pretty weak.

He batted .311 with an OBP of .361 and an OPS of .855. last season in AA. Solid numbers.

 

[thatshype]

I would think Zauny's got a great inside track to that job.

As much as Zauny is way too over the top in his organizational analysis, talking about prospects etc.... his detail and "about the game" commentary is phenomenal. I think he's got a good shot.

Zaun does have some decent things to say, but to me it seems like he's pretty sauced at times. Purely heresy, I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody knew that.

 

[pooleboy]

Agreed.

1. Reyes
2. Melky
3. Bautista
4. Edwin
5. Lind
6. Lawrie
7. Rasmus
8. Bonifacio/Izturis
9. Arencibia

Davis
Bonifacio/Izturis
Cooper (I guess?)
Thole

Bonifacio will probably hit 9 and JPA hit 8. some speed on the bases for the top of the order is always best, and Bonifacio is among the fastest guys in the league

 

[BigFatCat999]

Agreed.

1. Reyes
2. Melky
3. Bautista
4. Edwin
5. Lind
6. Lawrie
7. Rasmus
8. Bonifacio/Izturis
9. Arencibia

Davis
Bonifacio/Izturis
Cooper (I guess?)
Thole

Last year's stats say Lind and Rasmus switch which mean's you need to improve the #5 hitter still, which is why you need to get Ike Davis in the Dickey deal. If Davis can pull to the corner he can score 40HRs. Then trade Lind for Bullpen help.

 

[DD03]

Did Dickey pitch any games against any AL East teams last year? If he did what were his numbers?

 

[Stats01]

Did Dickey pitch any games against any AL East teams last year? If he did what were his numbers?

I don't have the numbers in front of me but he kicked ass against the A.L East last season. Destroyed TB and Baltimore I believe. I think he threw a one hitter against one of them.

Edit: he threw a one hitter against TB.

 

[DD03]

I don't have the numbers in front of me but he kicked ass against the A.L East last season. Destroyed TB and Baltimore I believe. I think he threw a one hitter against one of them.

Edit: he threw a one hitter against TB.

Found this on ESPN

In three seasons with the Mets, Dickey made six starts against the Blue Jays AL East rivals. He was 4-0 with a 1.71 ERA in those six games, which included consecutive one-hitters against the Tampa Bay Rays and Baltimore Orioles.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/58085/r-a-dickey-potential-trade-post

So basically.. Yeah

 

[pooleboy]

Did Dickey pitch any games against any AL East teams last year? If he did what were his numbers?

i dont have his numbers but i know he dominated the AL east last season. (well he went 20-6 he probably dominated most leagues)