Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 12th: We don't know Dickey (about any extension. Yet)
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The Nemesis
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Why are you laughing? It's true. Multiple people, myself included, have explained why.
Whats so funny about that? His bat would have had him near last for full time 1B or DH last season. Last year was Lind's worst as a major leaguer. So bad no one wanted him for free. And the still pit up a better avv, OBP and OPS than JPA.
I'm laughing at the great length that this guy has gone to discredit Colby Rasmus. The point is we have BOTH Gose and Rasmus and it makes no sense to trade either one at this time until Gose steals Colby's job. He wants to hand him the reigns to Centre field right now.
And regards to JPA I will admit I have a soft spot for him because he seems like a good clubhouse guy. Ultimately clubhouse chemistry is important and I think he plays a role in this. For as much as baseball can be reduced to a numbers game, you always have to remember the human element
JPA's power and likeability make people forget how mediocre his bat really is.
Don't get me wrong, Dickey has been very good for the past three years, he just hasn't been David Price. I disagree with those saying he's a one year wonder, a he most certainly is not and anyone who says he is have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. At the same time, Price has been better over the past three years.
Are they comparable? I suppose, but there's no way you could logically argue that Dickey has been just as good or better.
dredeye
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Gose is already a better fielder with better range and arm. His speed is leagues above Rasmus. He's better on the bases. His bat isn't there yet but with our lineup he could bat 9th and give us great speed at the bottom of the order. Gose may actually make our team better today than Rasmus would. Same applies to TDA really.
Nasty Nazem
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Remember how people were mocking Royals for what they gave up for Shields. Yeah, that's us now.
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im a big fan of colby rasmus, i would like to trade gose instead of tda if it was my choice....
and JPA if he isn't catching isn't in the majors, its almost a guaranteed K or a HR when he is up to bat.
I read it, and although you could certainly argue that he's comparable with Price, if you actually look at the stats, it shows that Price, however close one wishes to believe they are, is still better.
Now, I'm not saying that Dickey is a one year wonder. He most certainly is not. All I'm saying is that, statistically, Price has been better over the past three years.
I'm not advocating giving Rasmus away. Just that I would rather see him go than TDA or Gose. Even if we had to add more to him to make that happen.
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Eyedea
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Well, maybe we just feel Price is an overall better pitcher because of his pedigree? We're all so against conventional wisdom, but you and I know that having Price, a first overall pick, who throws 95 on an average day would be a better ace than a guy, who has been a journeyman and AAA starter for much of his career, that throws a 76 mph knuckleball.
And the age difference makes us think no matter what that RAD will regress, while Price has room to improve.
SeenSchenn2
Itchin' For Mitch
Maybe it's not my place to step in, but how can you just say they're wrong on an opinion over giving him a big extension?
edit: The showed nothing part is wrong, if that's what you were referring to
dredeye
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I mentioned this earlier and this is what I'm holding onto at this point. Everything seems to be coming from pretty much one person. The thing is that we don't know how well he's connected or if he's their local Garroch type
Having a knuckleball pitcher in the rotation, makes the other pitchers better, especially if a power pitcher such as JJ or Morrow come up behind. I recall Gaston saying many years ago, he detested having to face knuckleball pitchers because it threw the timing off many of his hitters. Often subbed bench players for regulars to face those types of pitchers. There isnt many opportunities to win a world series, AA see's this and is going for it. Good on him. Too many chicken little's worrying about what players could and could not be moved.
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Maybe it's not my place to step in, but how can you just say they're wrong on an opinion over giving him a big extension?
Because he "only had 1 good year"?
Eyedea
The Legend Continues
I don't know. I think Dickey is better than Shields, while TDA+Synd holds similar value to that of Myers. Still we can see that the value for these starting pitchers is tremendously high.
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McDeepika
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Why are people complaining about Dickey only being here for 3 years? You look at some of the deadline deals for top pitchers, and teams still end up paying a lot and that is only for half a year.
The Phillies traded their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th best prospect for Lee. Now granted none of those prospects were as good as TDA, but that still seems like a big price for a rental.
Just this year the Angels traded their 2nd, 4th, and 9th best prospects for Greinke.
The Brewers traded their very best prospect for Sabathia
The Tigers traded their 1st and 7th best prospects for Sanchez (and Infante).
The fact is, quality starting pitching costs a lot regardless of the contract status of the player in question. In every case mentioned except Sanchez, the pithcer walked and the team only had him for half a year. All of a sudden getting Dickey for 3 years doesn't look so bad.
The Phillies traded their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 10th best prospect for Lee. Now granted none of those prospects were as good as TDA, but that still seems like a big price for a rental.
Just this year the Angels traded their 2nd, 4th, and 9th best prospects for Greinke.
The Brewers traded their very best prospect for Sabathia
The Tigers traded their 1st and 7th best prospects for Sanchez (and Infante).
The fact is, quality starting pitching costs a lot regardless of the contract status of the player in question. In every case mentioned except Sanchez, the pithcer walked and the team only had him for half a year. All of a sudden getting Dickey for 3 years doesn't look so bad.
na, in 2-3 years you will be regretting all this love for dickey when he leaves cause he is 40+ in 2 years....
its like us trading:
morgan rielly
Nazem Kadri
Tim Connolly
for
Jarome Iginla
just really doesn't make sense, if your going to trade the farm might as well go for someone who can be here for a little while. and i have played baseball my whole life, i have 0 confidence in knuckelballers especially if there coming at this price.
imo, signing marcum or some FA would do us just as good.
edit: if your going to go big, go for someone you know who can be reliable not a 35 year old knuckelballing wonder.
Does anyone really care what others think? I'm begining to wonder, is there more importance placed on a great collection of prospects, or winning a world series? AA over time collected a very good prospect base, no reason to believe he cant do the same again.
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