GDT: Off-season/July 1st Free Agent frenzy thread-Is Joey Crabb still available?

[I am not exposed]

McD is an amazing player but he was gassed by the end and had nothing left to give. If they had more depth, guy wouldn't need to play 25 minutes a game and could be even more effective.

In a salary cap world, it doesn't matter how good each individual is if they aren't being paid below market value. What matters more is if a player is our producing his AAV. That's just the reality of how it works. So if McD wanted to win, he'll need to take that into account for his next contract.

McDavid's AAV for what he currently brings is actually really good value. We shall see what his next contract is. More interesting is what Drai will do.....And how much he will sign for and if he stays with the Oilers. If Drai sees out his contract and moves to pastures new, I could see next year as being the best year for the Oilers to win the cup.

 

[I am not exposed]

We’ll be clear of Bob’s contract so maybe we have a shot? Haha

That would be incredible! Would love McDavid on this team. Zito work your magic!

 

[pantherbot]

McDavid's AAV for what he currently brings is actually really good value. We shall see what his next contract is. More interesting is what Drai will do.....And how much he will sign for and if he stays with the Oilers. If Drai sees out his contract and moves to pastures new, I could see next year as being the best year for the Oilers to win the cup.

Hard to measure those things. The analytical models also overweight offense, which favors McD.

He also signed a contract that was 15.7% of the cap, while Crosby signed for 13.5%. That's another $2M that could've been available for better depth.

Then there's the weird stuff with his agent basically taking over the team. IMO players shouldn't be that close to management and ownership. Everyone has their own job to do. Screws up the hierarchy and players are less objective.

 

[Gentle Man]

Something about being the best player in the game is almost like a curse in when it comes to winning under the salary cap era to be honest.

It makes it extremely difficult to ice a championship consistently.

Take the Blackhawks. They stopped winning their two best players signed for 10.5M contracts.

Crosby was locked in I believe to that 200 year contract lmao

That would be incredible! Would love McDavid on this team. Zito work your magic!

I'll be honest, I prefer violence and chaos over skill and artistry.

Give me Brady to pair with Matty all day

 

[I am not exposed]

Hard to measure those things. The analytical models also overweight offense, which favors McD.

He also signed a contract that was 15.7% of the cap, while Crosby signed for 13.5%. That's another $2M that could've been available for better depth.

Then there's the weird stuff with his agent basically taking over the team. IMO players shouldn't be that close to management and ownership. Everyone has their own job to do. Screws up the hierarchy and players are less objective.

The Nurse and Campbell contracts are/were the killers for the Oilers.

Plus contracts were different when Crosby signed. Allowed more years so could bring the AAV down. 12 year contract.

 

[pantherbot]

The Nurse and Campbell contracts are/were the killers for the Oilers.

Plus contracts were different when Crosby signed. Allowed more years so could bring the AAV down. 12 year contract.

Agree on the Nurse and Campbell contracts, but if McD wasn't paid as much, would be easier to deal with.

Crosby could've gone for shorter and higher AAV if he wanted. That was/is considered the way to maximize value. Not saying the McD contract is bad, just saying it's not a bargain either. He's an amazing player and best in the world, and getting paid like it IMO.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

McDavid's AAV for what he currently brings is actually really good value.

This I completely agree with. He's the best player in the league right now.

 

[FrolikFan67]

on a side note, I think the panthers are the first team to ever win with a goalie making 10 or more per year. Correct me if I’m wrong

 

[KW]

Because there is a fairly restrictive salary cap, money paid to top players actually matters. A lot.

Because of this, and taking total impact to betterment of team, I would not swap Barkov for McDavid (obviously the swap would mean the contracts go along with the swap).

So arguing that McD is the best player in the world or in the history of hockey… I don’t give anywhere near the amount of shits about that individual achievement as I give for winning the Stanley Cup.

 

[Felidae]

I'm going to take a lot of shit for this, but I honest to God do not think Connor McDavid is as good as Sidney Crosby was. More talented? Yes, especially his skating. Better Captain for my hockey team? I'm taking Sid the Kid, even though I can't stand the guy.

Sidney Crosby's consistency is nearly unrivaled, and he's adapted his game constantly.

I think McDavid has peaked higher (not by much) but not sure if he'll be good for as long as Crosby has.

 

[pantherbot]

The Nurse and Campbell contracts are/were the killers for the Oilers.

Plus contracts were different when Crosby signed. Allowed more years so could bring the AAV down. 12 year contract.

Hmmm looking back some more. Crosby's second contract was actually 17.5% which is pretty huge. So i guess that's the comparison to McDavid's current contract.

It's the third contract where Crosby gave a lot of that value so I guess we'll see where Mcdavid lands with the next contract. Does he want to make even more crazy money or does he want to win?

 

[batting1k]

McDavid is gonna be 39 and by then playing for the Leafs, and he’s gonna force them to draft his son, Conny McDavid, then ask for a max contract so they can play together.

 

[batting1k]

 

[PSLguy]

Purely based on offense.

 

[KW]

My top 5 centers list:
1. Barkov
2. Barky
3. Sasha
4. Marie Bouzkova’s boyfriend
5. McD

 

[Dread Clawz]

on a side note, I think the panthers are the first team to ever win with a goalie making 10 or more per year. Correct me if I’m wrong

Yeah I'm pretty sure you're right.

 

[Gentle Man]

on a side note, I think the panthers are the first team to ever win with a goalie making 10 or more per year. Correct me if I’m wrong

First team with a 10M goalie and only the second team ever to win a cup with someone earning 10 or more.

First was Vegas with Eichel

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Sidney Crosby's consistency is nearly unrivaled, and he's adapted his game constantly.

I think McDavid has peaked higher (not by much) but not sure if he'll be good for as long as Crosby has.

It wasn't a knock on McDavid, tbh. I never liked Crosby due to his whining to the officials (and the fact that it actually worked), but of the guys I've actually seen play in my lifetime, I put him behind only Gretzky and Lemieux. The fact that he's still one of the best players in the NHL is staggering.

But while we're on this subject, Draisatl is the most overrated player to ever exist in my lifetime.

 

[GermanPanther]

Something about being the best player in the game is almost like a curse in when it comes to winning under the salary cap era to be honest.

It makes it extremely difficult to ice a championship consistently.

Take the Blackhawks. They stopped winning their two best players signed for 10.5M contracts.

Crosby was locked in I believe to that 200 year contract lmao

Doesnt have to look so much high, only remember Zach Parise was called a high praised talent,
he tryed hard with Minnesota, changed the Team to reach it. And try it again with Colorado.
Even if you have great Talent and a good Team around you, there is no garanty that you win the Cup only once.

That alone shows how tough it could be to win the Cup.

 

[scholl]

on a side note, I think the panthers are the first team to ever win with a goalie making 10 or more per year. Correct me if I’m wrong

Vasilevsky earned $9.5m. So it's not a big difference.

Something about being the best player in the game is almost like a curse in when it comes to winning under the salary cap era to be honest.

It makes it extremely difficult to ice a championship consistently.

If the contract was signed for 8 years and the cap went up a lot, that contract became "cheaper". McDavid's case is difficult because Oilers wasn't able to build a good team or develop players they drafted and the cap didn't go up when he had many years left. Now they need to sign a new contract and he'll earn way too much.

 

[BabyBennettov]

First team with a 10M goalie and only the second team ever to win a cup with someone earning 10 or more.

First was Vegas with Eichel

First team to ever win with multiple 8 figures-salary players (Bob and Barky) in the lineup !!

 

[Gentle Man]

First team to ever win with multiple 8 figures-salary players (Bob and Barky) in the lineup !!

First 82 game regular season cup in the state of Florida during the salary cap era


Oooh I said it

 

[Idiot Stick]

First 82 game regular season cup in the state of Florida during the salary cap era


Oooh I said it

First team to win it with a player over 400lbs

 

[RCGP2]

First team to win it with a player over 400lbs

Fat Pat won 3 cups

 

[BabyBennettov]

Still wondering how Knoblauch enjoyed his last ten days !?