Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Edition 5.0 - The Winter Meeting Chronicles

[Amadeus]

I dont see anyone giving Harper 400 million.

 

[Leaftors]

Um.. Making the MLB playoffs gives a higher chance of winning the World Series, so it is the answer for some teams. Guess who the two teams most successful in the last decade were? It's the Red Sox and Yankees. And guess what? They also led in spending that decade.

Okay, where are the jays going to get any more money from? As noted earlier they are already have a budget of 215m canadian. It still makes no sense to spend a ton of money on players just bc of their name, when there are other players out there (that we've signed) that have very good statistical value and can contribute a greater amount to the team.

 

[AllDay28]

I dont see anyone giving Harper 400 million.

and yet people wanted to give 34 yr old Edwin 25/yr..

 

[UnknownNasty]

I dont see anyone giving Harper 400 million.

If he puts up anything like his 2015 season before he hits free agency (.330/.460/.649, 197 wRC+ at 23 years old), he will certainly get a 400 million contract, whether it's with the Yankees or any other team. He will only be 25 when he hits free agency, so teams will be paying for his peak years, not for a player in decline as we see with most free agents.

Okay, where are the jays going to get any more money from? As noted earlier they are already have a budget of 215m canadian. It still makes no sense to spend a ton of money on players just bc of their name, when there are other players out there (that we've signed) that have very good statistical value and can contribute a greater amount to the team.

The Blue Jays have the richest owners in the MLB. There's no reason for them not be amongst the top spenders in the MLB, especially when you consider their attendance numbers from last season (3rd in the league with an average of 41,880.

 

[AllDay28]

what does Attendance / Richest owners matter when our owners are a business and the Jays are just a tiny pimple on their business? a teenie little pimple to keep fans happy. Im so lost by this thought process. We should spend 1 billion/yr and take a loss cause thats how business works.

Let's say average ticket is $40. at 41k * 81 * 40 thats 135 million/yr. ... but ya lets have like 250m teams cause fans who sit at home want one bad!

 

[Kurtz]

what does Attendance / Richest owners matter when our owners are a business and the Jays are just a tiny pimple on their business? a teenie little pimple to keep fans happy. Im so lost by this thought process. We should spend 1 billion/yr and take a loss cause thats how business works.

Let's say average ticket is $40. at 41k * 81 * 40 thats 135 million/yr. ... but ya lets have like 250m teams cause fans who sit at home want one bad!

Attendance figures are just one of several revenue drivers.

TV numbers are likely a bigger revenue driver. Merch is a factor.

A huge but likely overlooked factor is how many Rogers cable subscribers would cut their cable, even if it were only for the summer, if it weren't for the Jays.

 

[AllDay28]

Attendance figures are just one of several revenue drivers.

TV numbers are likely a bigger revenue driver. Merch is a factor.

A huge but likely overlooked factor is how many Rogers cable subscribers would cut their cable, even if it were only for the summer, if it weren't for the Jays.

I doubt people are keeping their rogers cable for the Jays.. when they could just stream and save $100+ a month.. but sure.

 

[TootooTrain]

MLBtv costs about the same as your standard tv package. Or atleast what I pay.

Good mlb streams are tough to find. All things being equal I'd rather watch it on tv.

Suffice to say Rogers has earned alot of adulation for the recent success of the team. I doubt they'll intentionally slash payroll acknowledging the cash cow that lays before them. Just doesn't make sense.

I can't wait for the season to start up again so the 'ifs' and 'buts' get tossed the the waste side and we can talk about stuff on the field.

 

[AllDay28]

The price of the full MLB.tv package has been lowered from $129.99 to $109.99. Single-team packages will cost $84.99.

so your rogers cable is $14/month? ya..

but also like people seem to think.. if Jays are this cash cow.. why would they want to put out a subpar product to take Ls and lose attendance/rev? it makes no sense especially since fans go AWOL pretty quickly in Toronto.

 

[TF97]

Just in case anyone here fits the qualifications and is interested...

 

[Eyedea]

I should learn R.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Just in case anyone here fits the qualifications and is interested...

Damn that job would have been amazing for me if it was open a few years later.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[hockeywiz542]

jose bautista wanted to work something out, but dombrowski told his agent, jay alou, they were done in terms of payroll; bautista could play first, third, the outfield and dh and might hit 50 homers in fenway, but red sox fans can’t complain about payroll. Or what they spent to sign moncada, which led to sale.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[frost king]

How Much Fans Pay at a Major League Baseball Game
In a study done by GOBankingRates, the average total cost of attending an MLB game this year - factoring in ticket prices, food, beverage and parking - was around $77.92 for two people.

Search:
MLB TEAM STADIUM TOTAL COST FOR TWO PEOPLE
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Angel Stadium $47.60
Los Angeles Dodgers Dodger Stadium $55.10
Arizona Diamondbacks Chase Field $57.93
Colorado Rockies Coors Field $59.30
Minnesota Twins Target Field $60.40
Cincinnati Reds Great American Ball Park $61.30
Pittsburgh Pirates PNC Park $62.43
Oakland Athletics O.co Coliseum $63.71
Atlanta Braves Turner Field $65.34
Texas Rangers Globe Life Park $65.60
Baltimore Orioles Oriole Park at Camden Yards $65.63
San Diego Padres Petco Park $65.80
Miami Marlins Marlins Park $65.93
Houston Astros Minute Maid Park $66.23
Chicago White Sox U.S. Cellular Field $68.45
Tampa Bay Rays Tropicana Field $69.11
Detroit Tigers Comerica Park $70.60
Cleveland Indians Progressive Field $76.40
Milwaukee Brewers Miller Park $80.00
St. Louis Cardinals Busch Stadium $81.30
Philadelphia Phillies Citizens Bank Park $82.49
Washington Nationals Nationals Park $85.90
Kansas City Royals Kauffman Stadium $89.40
San Francisco Giants AT&T Park $90.81
New York Mets Citi Field $94.19
Seattle Mariners Safeco Field $94.71

Toronto Blue Jays Rogers Centre $109.38

New York Yankees Yankee Stadium $109.40
Chicago Cubs Wrigley Field $116.06
Boston Red Sox Fenway Park $157.00

n all, MLB teams are receiving an estimated $1.5 billion on their local cable deals without considering ownership interests. The chart below shows the 2016 estimates, the total deal, if known, the start and end of the deal, the ownership stake, and a link with more information.


MLB Team Estimated Television Contracts
2016 Revenue Deal Deal Start Deal End Cable Ownership
Dodgers $204 M 25/$8.35 B 2014 2038 100%
Angels $118 M 20/$3 B 2012 2031 25%
Yankees $98 M 30/$5.7 B 2013 2042 20%
Red Sox $80 M 2006 80%
Mariners $76 M 18/$1.8 B 2014 2031 71%
Cubs $65 M 2004 2019 20%
Phillies $60 M 25/$2.5 B 2016 2040 25%
Astros $60 M 20/$1.6 B 2013 2032 NO
Rangers $56 M 20/$1.6 B 2015 2034 10%
Tigers $55 M 10/$500 M 2009 2018 No
Giants $54 M 25/$1.75 B 2008 2032 30%
White Sox $51 M 2004 2019 20%
Diambacks $50 M 20/$1.5 B 2016 2035 Yes
Mets $46 M 25/$1.3 B 2006 2030 65%
Nationals $46 M 2006 2028 18%
Orioles $46 M 2006 2028 82%
A’s $41 M 21/$1 B 2009 2029 No
Indians $40 M 10/$400 M 2013 2022 No
Padres $39 M 20/$1 B 2012 2031 20%
Twins $37 M 12/$480 M 2012 2023 No
Braves $35 M 2008 2027 No
Cardinals $33 M 15/$1 B 2008, 2018 2017, 2032 30%
Reds $30 M 2007 2016 No
Pirates $25 M 2010 2019 No
Brewers $24 M 2013 2019 No
Royals $22 M 12/$240 M 2008 2019 No
Marlins $20 M 15/$270 M 2006 2020 No
Rockies $20 M 10/$200 M 2011 2020 No
Rays $20 M 2009 2018 No
Blue Jays 100%

The television rights fees paid to the Toronto Blue Jays from parent company Rogers Communications Inc., have fallen behind the skyrocketing regional TV revenues being earned by some teams in the United States.

Major-league teams are reaping new deals from regional television networks for as much as $150-million annually, and they are leveraging the windfalls to bring in premium talent. In contrast, sources say the Blue Jays earn approximately $225,000 a game in television rights fees, or a total of $36-million for 162 games from Rogers Sportsnet, a cable sports network also owned by Rogers Communications.

The Greater Toronto market is the seventh largest in major-league baseball. However, under MLB criteria, all of Canada is protected Blue Jays territory, and on that basis Toronto arguably plays in the largest market by population and territory. The Sportsnet contract with the Jays covers all of its regional stations, and Jays games are broadcast nationally.

 

[theaub]

Damn that job would have been amazing for me if it was open a few years later.

Change later to ago and the same applies for me :/

 

[Kurtz]

The price of the full MLB.tv package has been lowered from $129.99 to $109.99. Single-team packages will cost $84.99.

Doesn't MLB.tv black out local games?

So your only option would be to stream illegally, which gets you terrible quality. Also, streaming 162 games would rip apart your bandwith (unless you go with the unlimited package, in which case Rogers gets your money regardless).

Anyway, I can tell you that the main reason I kept my Rogers package going this summer was the Jays.

 

[zeke]

what does Attendance / Richest owners matter when our owners are a business and the Jays are just a tiny pimple on their business? a teenie little pimple to keep fans happy. Im so lost by this thought process. We should spend 1 billion/yr and take a loss cause thats how business works.

Let's say average ticket is $40. at 41k * 81 * 40 thats 135 million/yr. ... but ya lets have like 250m teams cause fans who sit at home want one bad!

if they're having such a hard time making money off the team they should sell it.

 

[AllDay28]

http://www.forbes.com/teams/toronto-blue-jays/

info on revenue and such. doesnt look like they make as much as people seem to think.

 

[zeke]

if they are losing money they should sell. plenty of billionaires looking to buy sports teams.

 

[AllDay28]

this feels like deja vu

 

[Neil Hamburger]

http://www.forbes.com/teams/toronto-blue-jays/

info on revenue and such. doesnt look like they make as much as people seem to think.

Clever accounting - Rogers (the Blue Jays) sells the TV rights to Rogers at a way below market value rate, especially given how great the TV ratings have been the last two years.

 

[Eyedea]

They have 126m committed, are expected to hit ~140 with arb and pre-arb configurations, and reports have suggested that they still have ~20m left to work with. Is 160m not a good enough number? That would be well within the top 10 payrolls.

 

[Sokil]

what does Attendance / Richest owners matter when our owners are a business and the Jays are just a tiny pimple on their business? a teenie little pimple to keep fans happy. Im so lost by this thought process. We should spend 1 billion/yr and take a loss cause thats how business works.

Let's say average ticket is $40. at 41k * 81 * 40 thats 135 million/yr. ... but ya lets have like 250m teams cause fans who sit at home want one bad!

did you seriously just invent the team's income based on ticket sales while subtracting concessions, merchandise, corporate ventures and seating, advertisements, national television revenue, playoff revenue, and just about every other source of money the team generates?

edit: seems youve provided the Forbes article which says they make 100m more than you predicted (and about as much as you pegged as an insane figure lol)

and like others have pointed out, that doesnt include tv rights, since they own the tv networks and cable packages