Speculation: Off-Season 2013 - Part II

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LightningStrikes

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Yzerman made a good point saying a lot of things even themselves out over the course of a 82 game season. Almost every year there are teams dominating halfway into the season but end up missing the playoffs. You've got to wonder if teams like the Leafs or Isles would've even made the playoffs in a 82 game season.
 

The Wyzerhood

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All of the following is based on rosters as of now:

To be honest I think Boston isnt going to be anywhere near what they have been in the recent past. Lost a lot of key guys and didnt bring much in. They make the playoffs but arent a dominate force like they have been.

Toronto wont be good next year. Lost one of their better possession players and their big FA signing is a guy who was sheltered in spots and has really only had one good year. His shooting % was insane and wont ever be that again as his track record has shown. Speaking of shooting % TO as a whole had almost a 12% last season. No way in hell that happens again. I see TO starting another streak of missing the playoffs.

Detroit has gone lateral at best this off season but they are really a wild card. They are so used to the west style of play and are now going to be playing mainly east teams. How fast can they adjust over the season and can a few of their players continue to grow or will some flop out. They are really an enigma this year IMO. Prob make the playoffs though.

Montreal isnt going to be as good as last year, but they should be solid enough to make the playoffs. Really depends a lot on their key guys having big seasons again. If they fall off at all they wont do much.

Ottawa is the team that has improved IMO. Ryan is a huge gain and losing Alfreddsson aside from the sentimentality isnt a huge deal. I see them being better this year. Just gotta stay away from the injury bug.

Florida and Buffalo will both be terrible.

That leaves us. Along with Detroit Id say we are a big enigma. We have two goalies that we will live or die by and if they put up .905%+ then we could be in business. If not well....

New coach, new system, full training camp, everyone healthy to start. Its basically a perfect storm for either a massive flop or a massive success. I still believe Yzerman will pull a trade for a top 3 dman, but im basing this off of current rosters so Ill say we finish just outside the playoffs this year. Unless everything goes perfectly.

I agree with mostly everything you're saying, especially on Ottawa, Montreal, Buffalo, Florida and us.

However, if Boston doesn't win the division, who does? I still think they're the team to beat, but it does signify that the division has perhaps gotten a little weaker, unless their incoming young prospects play to their potential and fill (or better) the void of the departed players.

Toronto's an odd case because despite losing a good puck possession player, they don't really play a pure puck possession style in the first place. Carlyle is a fan of the chip and chase blended with a puck possession style, creating relentless high pressure on the forecheck and mixing it up with a fast rush with the puck into the zone. They got better in goal, and if Bernier can replicate his numbers from last season, they could have one of the better goaltending tandems in the league. Definitely got worse offensively and failed to improve their defense though, the latter which was the main reason they lost in game 7 to Boston. As I said before, the Leafs moved laterally at best.

You raise a good point that Detroit may need time adjusting to the East. However, they have played a puck possession style for years and have succeeded with it against teams in the East, while coming within a game of the Western Conference Final. They sorely needed a shooter on the PP and some top 6 forward help and got that with Alfredsson. The move from Filppula to Weiss will improve their output consistency from their secondary scorers. I think Detroit improved overall in terms of pure off-season moves, but a lot of their success will hinge on Howard and the improvement of young players like Smith, DeKeyser and Kindl.
 

LightningStrikes

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I still think Boston is the team to beat in our new division - followed by Ottawa. Just look at how far they got despite all the injuries - or was it because of 'em? Either way +Ryan -Alfredsson still makes them a better team IMO. Detroit always finds ways to win and get into the playoffs so they should round out the top-3. It's still early into the off-season though and things often change dramatically during the season...
 

IPreferPi

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Yotes fan back in peace and exploring another potential trade.

Would Klesla + Rundblad be enough for Teddy Purcell with $1.5M of his salary retained over the remainder of his contract? Or Malone + Connolly? Would be willing to throw in a 2nd to land the latter package.
 
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Yotes fan back in peace and exploring another potential trade.

Would Klesla + Rundblad be enough for Teddy Purcell with $1.5M of his salary retained over the remainder of his contract? Or Malone + Connolly? Would be willing to throw in a 2nd to land the latter package.

I would do the latter deal in a heartbeat. I would do the first deal at a slightly slower, yet still quick, pace.
 

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If we're trading Connolly to Phoenix than one of Stone/Gormley needs to be coming back. I have no problem with Rundblad but he's not worth Connolly. Everyone needs to stop trying to sell him low just cause we have excess forwards.
 

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If we're trading Connolly to Phoenix than one of Stone/Gormley needs to be coming back. I have no problem with Rundblad but he's not worth Connolly. Everyone needs to stop trying to sell him low just cause we have excess forwards.

Willing to add a 2014 2nd and even an additional conditional pick (if Klesla doesn't resign) to Klesla + Rundblad. Still, if Connolly is too much of a deal breaker to move for Rundblad, I'm willing to go with Panik in his place. But Gormley isn't moving, and with Maloney resigning Stone to a really good 3 year deal and Morris potentially leaving next season, he's likely not moving either, even if I know you guys covet him.
 
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Jacko95

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Willing to add a 2014 2nd and even an additional conditional pick (if Klesla doesn't resign) to Klesla + Rundblad. Still, if Connolly is too much of a deal breaker to move for Rundblad, I'm willing to go with Panik in his place. But Gormley isn't moving, and with Maloney resigning Stone to a really good 3 year deal and Morris potentially leaving next season, he's likely not moving either, even if I know you guys covet him.

Panik>Connolly for us, as Panik is more physical and has a better two-way game. I think Connolly has better offensive potential, but Panik is for sure the more complete player of the two.

How about Connolly + pick and/or Janus (I still think he would be an interesting guy for you, as he would get your #1 goalie prospect and should be NHL ready soon)

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Stone/Gormly and Rundblad.
 

IPreferPi

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How about Connolly + pick and/or Janus (I still think he would be an interesting guy for you, as he would get your #1 goalie prospect and should be NHL ready soon)

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Stone/Gormly and Rundblad.

Okay, so no to Panik. Fair enough. As for your counter, sorry, but GMDM won't consider trading two of our defensive youngsters in the same offseason with Klesla and Morris impending UFAs and Michalek a UFA after next season (i.e. blueline spots are going to be open very soon).
 

Jacko95

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Okay, so no to Panik. Fair enough. As for your counter, sorry, but GMDM won't consider trading two of our defensive youngsters in the same offseason with Klesla and Morris impending UFAs and Michalek a UFA after next season (i.e. blueline spots are going to be open very soon).

Sorry, but I have missed something, which young defender did you trade?
 

IPreferPi

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This Yotes fan would definitely be willing to look at Klesla, Rundblad, and that pick for Malone and Connolly, though. Seems really mutually beneficial.

The first two replies to my proposal indicates that Klesla + Rundblad for Malone + Connolly is doable. Perhaps instead of thinking of it as Rundblad for Connolly, think of it as Rundblad for Malone and Klesla for Connolly? Very willing to add futures to make this work.
 

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The first two replies to my proposal indicates that Klesla + Rundblad for Malone + Connolly is doable. Perhaps instead of thinking of it as Rundblad for Connolly, think of it as Rundblad for Malone and Klesla for Connolly? Very willing to add futures to make this work.

Klesla+Rundblad+conditional pick(1st in 2014 if Malone plays X amount of games, 2nd if he doesn't reach that limit) for Malone+Connolly seems fair to me.
 

IPreferPi

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Klesla+Rundblad+conditional pick(1st in 2014 if Malone plays X amount of games, 2nd if he doesn't reach that limit) for Malone+Connolly seems fair to me.

That's a curveball of a condition I didn't expect. Was thinking more along the lines of a 2014 2nd + a conditional 2015 2nd/2014 3rd if Klesla didn't resign. But conditioning on Malone's durability is certainly doable as well.
 

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I wouldn't do the original deal of Klesla and Rundblad for Malone and Connolly. I'm on the fence for Klesla, Rundblad and a 2nd round pick in 2014 for Malone and Connolly.

I was hoping that Stone was re-signed so that he could be traded to us. The original deal of Connolly for Stone plus your 2014 2nd is still my favorite.
 

IPreferPi

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I wouldn't do the original deal of Klesla and Rundblad for Malone and Connolly. I'm on the fence for Klesla, Rundblad and a 2nd round pick in 2014 for Malone and Connolly.

I was hoping that Stone was re-signed so that he could be traded to us. The original deal of Connolly for Stone plus your 2014 2nd is still my favorite.

Remember, though, way back when the playoffs started I initially worked out Stone for Panik with you guys, and Connolly was considered untouchable. :)

If Maloney had resigned Rundblad to a one-way deal before Stone or Summers, I would've had no problems offering up Stone for Connolly. But obviously that wasn't the case, and as of now, Stone appears he will play a significant part for the Yotes's blueline going forward while Rundblad's future is up in the air.
 

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The Lightning will play the Preds at the TBTF on Thu September 19th (6:30p start time), and will visit Nashville for a game on the 24th (7p)

EE says that TB's schedule should be out Friday.

Orlando should be getting one of those games.
 
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A lot of videos with Jon Cooper and Steve Yzerman from the VIP event that took place this week at the TBTF.

A lot of good stuff there. I especially liked how Cooper broke down the defense. It made me think, we definitely did play too much of a north/south game in our D zone. Too many people were looking to make or take a pass from up or down the ice instead of to the side, where the easier play might be. IT was also odd to see Yzerman rambling and talking so much. Usually he takes his time with questions and topics, putting very careful thought into what he is going to say. He just went on and on here.

Also, I liked how Yzerman and Cooper bantered a bit:

Coop: "I hope there's a part in the CBA where the coach can stay for 18 years..."
Yzerman: "Just win."
 

The Wyzerhood

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A lot of good stuff there. I especially liked how Cooper broke down the defense. It made me think, we definitely did play too much of a north/south game in our D zone. Too many people were looking to make or take a pass from up or down the ice instead of to the side, where the easier play might be. IT was also odd to see Yzerman rambling and talking so much. Usually he takes his time with questions and topics, putting very careful thought into what he is going to say. He just went on and on here.

Also, I liked how Yzerman and Cooper bantered a bit:

Coop: "I hope there's a part in the CBA where the coach can stay for 18 years..."
Yzerman: "Just win."

Coop's bit on team leaders and leadership was definitely not his finest moment.
 

The Wyzerhood

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Keep it simple: Klesla for Malone

TB reduces cap and Az reduces actual salary

I would make this deal in a heartbeat. Klesla's a UFA after this season and if he doesn't work out, we can let him walk and rid ourselves of Malone's contract for 2014-15 in the process. Best case scenario, Klesla works out and he shifts Brewer down to the 3rd pairing with Gudas.
 
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