OEL is very over rated on HF Boards.

[Kamiccolo]

(This is not a leaf thread, in my example I use a FEW leaf players as I know them best, but also compare other players in the league as well, so please don't flame me as a leaf fan).

Apparently OEL is an elite #1 dman according to this board..

Right now he has 23 points in 48 games on pace for 39 points and a -12 on pace for -20.

So a 39 point, -20 dman is elite?

Just for comparison..

Cody Franson has 25 points in 48 and is -6, on pace for just over 40 points and a better +/- and an equally terrible team.

Justin Faulk has 28 in 47 on pace for 48 points and a much better +/- on a worse team.

Other guys with similar or better production to him..

Markov
Krug
Boychuk

Hell, even Dion Phaneuf who some call not even a top pairing D has 1 less point and is only a -4.

OEL is so over rated it's not funny. He doesn't bring D, and is average O. His skating ability makes him over rated. Those who call him a #1 now, are Franson, Phaneuf, Faulk, and Krug number 1's now?

Oh lets despell some myths I know I'll get...


But he is Young!

Age 23. Not like he is an 18 year old. His age adds value, but lets not act like every player magically becomes elite if he isn't close before.

He plays on a bad team!

Yup, so do Faulk and the leaf players. They still put up similar offensive numbers, and Arizona is a much better defensive team than both of those clubs, yet their players have better +/-.

Also Yandle has managed to put up 30+ points on the same team, yet isn't called an elite #1.

I also assume some people will dismiss this because I used +/-, my answer for them is that any stat shouldn't count unless it is assists and goals then. Even things like Corsi you can use the same arguments people use against +/-.

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[Bps21*]

You could have just said this was a thread about +- in the title and saved everyone the trouble of clicking it.

Breaking news everyone...good players on terrible teams have bad +-. News at 11. If only the understanding of the game had evolved.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

He plays in front of one of the worst goalies in the league.

he plays way more minutes then krug

 

[Classicnamesup]

OEL is better than any Dman on the Leafs and will be for the next 10+ years I bet.

 

[izzy]

Those stats don't say it all, especially for a Dman. But I do agree that he's overrated.

 

[Bizz]

OEL is okay, but I like Yandle more tbh

 

[winnipegger]

It appears you are only really concerned with points and +/-. That's not the best way to judge a D-man, it sometimes isn't the best way to judge a forward. I don't watch Phoenix very much (at all) but I think he plays a pretty good game defensively doesn't he?

 

[Garbage Goal]

Those stats don't say it all, especially for a Dman. But I do agree that he's overrated.

I'd agree with this.

 

[Kamiccolo]

You could have just said this was a thread about +- in the title and saved everyone the trouble of clicking it.

Breaking news everyone...good players on terrible teams have bad +-. News at 11. If only the understanding of the game had evolved.

It's not. It's just another stat used to evaluate. Apparently he is an elite #1 on here, yet no one can back that up with anything, and use things with no substance like blaming linemates and stuff as to why he doesn't compare with other stars and more with average top pairing dman and below.

 

[Kamiccolo]

It appears you are only really concerned with points and +/-. That's not the best way to judge a D-man, it sometimes isn't the best way to judge a forward. I don't watch Phoenix very much (at all) but I think he plays a pretty good game defensively doesn't he?

That's not the point. I am not saying he isn't a very good young player, but fans on here are claiming he is a #1 right now, and even some say an elite one.

In what other way can you measure him? Can I claim Jake Gardiner is a top 5 dman and when his points and +/- don't add up claim you obviously don't watch him and his team sucks?

He is over rated in the sense he gets way more credit than he deserves as a player.

 

[ashenhigh]

It's not. It's just another stat used to evaluate. Apparently he is an elite #1 on here, yet no one can back that up with anything, and use things with no substance like blaming linemates and stuff as to why he doesn't compare with other stars and more with average top pairing dman and below.

Just because a handful posters out of thousands make a lot of noise, doesn't mean its true. OEL is great, but would hardly call him elite at this point.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

It's not. It's just another stat used to evaluate. Apparently he is an elite #1 on here, yet no one can back that up with anything, and use things with no substance like blaming linemates and stuff as to why he doesn't compare with other stars and more with average top pairing dman and below.

who has a better plus minus if bernier is the arizona goalie and smith the the toronto goalie?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Just because a handful posters out of thousands make a lot of noise, doesn't mean its true. OEL is great, but would hardly call him elite at this point.

Read through the trade forum right now that rumors he might be available are happening. Fans are saying he would cost Benn + or seguin.

It's a very large part of HF.

 

[Classicnamesup]

It's not. It's just another stat used to evaluate. Apparently he is an elite #1 on here, yet no one can back that up with anything, and use things with no substance like blaming linemates and stuff as to why he doesn't compare with other stars and more with average top pairing dman and below.

He is first in the league in D-men goal scoring. If you need a reference, check yesterday when he scored on your goalie from his own blue line. #13 on the season.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

Well not that long ago people called him better than Subban. So I'll agree he is overrated on this forum.

 

[Kamiccolo]

who has a better plus minus if bernier is the arizona goalie and smith the the toronto goalie?

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball. I prefer to evaluate based on things that can be measured and seen right now, and not made up scenarios or things that can't be measured.


I would assume his +/- would go up slightly. Either way that would still leave him in the same range anyway of the dman I listed for points only difference is their +/- would be more even.

 

[kingdok]

How many defensemen can score from their blue line?

 

[pahlsson]

hes a #1 dman thats having a bad season

 

[Kamiccolo]

He is first in the league in D-men goal scoring. If you need a reference, check yesterday when he scored on your goalie from his own blue line. #13 on the season.

How many defensemen can score from their blue line?

I welcome anyone who can give proof/something measurable to disprove what I have said in the OP.

 

[JaegerDice]

They should definitely trade him to the Blackhawks and retain half his salary. That's how bad he really is.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

OEL was overrated for years on here. Probably one of the more overrated players ever. But at this point the hype has died a little and he has gotten better. I think he gets the credit he deserves right now. He is an elite D.

 

[Semantics]

He's a pretty good defenseman, but if he was elite like a lot of people on here seem to think he would have made Sweden's Olympic team last year. He's definitely not top 10 in the league, maybe not even top 20.

 

[TT1]

def not overrated, easily a top 15-20 dman and hes 23

 

[HanSolo]

You could have just said this was a thread about +- in the title and saved everyone the trouble of clicking it.

Breaking news everyone...good players on terrible teams have bad +-. News at 11. If only the understanding of the game had evolved.

This was great fun when everyone thought Fowler was useless defensively.

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

Good, goooooddd. All the more reason for DET to get him for Callahan, Marchenko, and a 1st....

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