Obscure hockey facts/stats (Part 2)

[frisco]

I guess in all fairness Marcel Dionne fits the bill here. Although he didn't play in 1972. I asked him a couple of years ago at a card show why they never let him play. He said that they were all promised they would play, and then it changed after the bombing in Game 1. He felt that since he and Perreault were younger they had more energy and probably could have benefited from letting them play more, but alas.

I thought Alexander Maltsev was surely in all four but I guess he was injured for the 1979 Challenge Cup Series. And a few guys were left off the USSR 1976 Canada Cup team when the Soviets purposely played the role of horse's asses and didn't send their elite "A" team just to be difficult.

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[ES]

Wayne Gretzky scored his 500th goal into an empty net

Who were the other players that scored their 500th the same way ?

Mike Bossy, Jari Kurri and Keith Tkachuk.

 

[crobro]

During the 70’s decade Bobby Clarke led in Assists with 624

 

[Big Phil]

Pete Mahovlich to this day still holds the Habs record for most assists in a season with 82.

 

[The Panther]

During the 70’s decade Bobby Clarke led in Assists with 624

That's really impressive, but the Clarke stat that always knocks me out most is how few goals against he was on the ice for, in his prime.

For the 4 straight seasons 1974-75 through 1977-78, his goals against totals were: 52, 53, 70, 51.

So, that's hugely impressive in itself. But, then remember he was a penalty killer, too. When you subtract the PP goals against, this is how many goals against he was on the ice for in those four seasons: 19, 23, 43, 33.

When we talk about Bobby Orr deserving the 1975 Hart instead of Clarke (an opinion I don't necessarily disagree with), we should pause to remember that Clarke, playing all 80 games, scored 116 points, and was on the ice for 98 ES/SH goals for his team and 19 ES/SH goals against. In the back to back seasons of 1974-75 and 1975-76, the number is 204 ES/SH goals for and 42 against.

I mean, those are utterly ridiculous numbers.

 

[The Panther]

Of the NY Rangers' top-10 assists in a season record holders, 4 of the 10 are ex-Edmonton Oilers (Gretzky x 2, Messier x 2).

Of the LA Kings' top-5 assists in a season record holders, all 5 are by an ex-Edmonton Oiler (Gretzky).

Of the Pittsburgh Penguins' and Detroit Red Wings' top-10 assists in a season record holders, 1 of the 10 is by an ex-Edmonton Oiler (both Coffey).

 

[The Panther]

Franchise-dominant Assist-producing players.

Most-assists in a season:

Boston Bruins
102 - Bobby Orr
97 - Adam Oates
90 - Bobby Orr
89 - Bobby Orr
87 - Bobby Orr
80 - Adam Oates
80 - Bobby Orr

Edmonton Oilers
163 - Wayne Gretzky
135 - Wayne Gretzky
125 - Wayne Gretzky
121 - Wayne Gretzky
120 - Wayne Gretzky
118 - Wayne Gretzky
109 - Wayne Gretzky
109 - Wayne Gretzky

Los Angeles Kings
122 - Wayne Gretzky
114 - Wayne Gretzky
102 - Wayne Gretzky
92 - Wayne Gretzky
90 - Wayne Gretzky

Montreal Canadiens
82 - Peter Mahovlich
80 - Guy Lafleur
77 - Guy Lafleur
75 - Guy Lafleur
72 - Guy Lafleur
71 - Peter Mahovlich
69 - Guy Lafleur

Pittsburgh Penguins
114 - Mario Lemieux
98 - Mario Lemieux
93 - Mario Lemieux
92 - Ron Francis
92 - Mario Lemieux
91 - Mario Lemieux
87 - Jaromir Jagr
87 - Mario Lemieux

Quebec Nordiques / Colorado Avalanche
93 - Peter Stastny
86 - Peter Forsberg
81 - Peter Stastny
77 - Peter Stastny
77 - Peter Forsberg
73 - Peter Stastny
70 - Peter Stastny
69 - Joe Sakic
68 - Peter Stastny

San Jose Sharks
92 - Joe Thornton
72 - Joe Thornton
69 - Joe Thornton
67 - Joe Thornton
67 - Brent Burns
65 - Joe Thornton
63 - Joe Thornton
61 - Joe Thornton
59 - Joe Thornton

Vancouver Canucks
83 - Henrik Sedin
75 - Henrik Sedin
71 - Henrik Sedin
67 - Henrik Sedin
63 - Daniel Sedin
62 - Andre Boudrias
61 - Henrik Sedin
60 - Henrik Sedin


The St. Louis Blues and Bernie Federko are an odd one, in that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd all time to go Adam Oates (twice) and Craig Janney, but after that Federko has 7 of the next 10.

For the Detroit Red Wings, the top-2 all time are Steve Yzerman. Likewise, for the Toronto Maple Leafs, the top-2 all time are Doug Gilmour.

Bobby Clarke has 3 of the top-4 for the Philadelphia Flyers. Martin St. Louis has 4 of the top-8 for the Tampa Bay Lightning.

 

[LightningStorm]

I think I might've mentioned this in the first thread, so forgive me if it's a repeat. But I always found it interesting that Joe Mullen led the 1989 Flames in scoring by a 25 point margin (he had 110 points, while the 2nd leading scorers, Gilmour and Loob, each had 85). This is a cup winning team that always appeared to win more due to having a deep roster of stars than any high end ones that really stood out, save of MacInnis. In that regard, having a player lead the team in scoring by that margin was a surprise to me.

 

[frisco]

Dmitri Mironov holds the record (with Denis Potvin) for most PPG in a playoff year (6) by a d-man.

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[reckoning]

There are two players I'm aware of who scored 20 or more goals in the minors and the NHL in the same season:

Joe Mullen 1981-82:
21 goals in 27 games with Salt Lake in the CHL
25 goals in 45 games with St. Louis in the NHL

Pierre Larouche 1985-86:
22 goals in 32 games with Hersey in the AHL
20 goals in 28 games with Ny Rangers in NHL


Has anyone else done this?

 

[Ace36758]

There are two players I'm aware of who scored 20 or more goals in the minors and the NHL in the same season:

Joe Mullen 1981-82:
21 goals in 27 games with Salt Lake in the CHL
25 goals in 45 games with St. Louis in the NHL

Pierre Larouche 1985-86:
22 goals in 32 games with Hersey in the AHL
20 goals in 28 games with Ny Rangers in NHL


Has anyone else done this?

Jake Guentzel was close in 2016-2017-(16 nhl, 21 ahl).
I was thinking maybe a few did it in the lockout 2013 year, but it does not appear so. Eberle came close but didn’t quite hit 20 in the nhl.

 

[kaiser matias]

Jake Guentzel was close in 2016-2017-(16 nhl, 21 ahl).
I was thinking maybe a few did it in the lockout 2013 year, but it does not appear so. Eberle came close but didn’t quite hit 20 in the nhl.

It's not minor per se, but Ovechkin nearly did in 2012-13: 19 goals in the KHL and then 32 back in the NHL.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

There are two players I'm aware of who scored 20 or more goals in the minors and the NHL in the same season:

Joe Mullen 1981-82:
21 goals in 27 games with Salt Lake in the CHL
25 goals in 45 games with St. Louis in the NHL

Pierre Larouche 1985-86:
22 goals in 32 games with Hersey in the AHL
20 goals in 28 games with Ny Rangers in NHL


Has anyone else done this?

Dino Ciccarelli (32 + 18) and Gilbert Dionne (19 + 21) came close.

 

[crobro]

There are two players I'm aware of who scored 20 or more goals in the minors and the NHL in the same season:

Joe Mullen 1981-82:
21 goals in 27 games with Salt Lake in the CHL
25 goals in 45 games with St. Louis in the NHL

Pierre Larouche 1985-86:
22 goals in 32 games with Hersey in the AHL
20 goals in 28 games with Ny Rangers in NHL


Has anyone else done this?

did Bernie nichols pull it off playoffs included

 

[The Panther]

did Bernie nichols pull it off playoffs included

Not quite. He scored 41 goals in New Haven before being called up by L.A., for whom he scored (if we count playoffs) 18 goals in 32 games.

 

[crobro]

Gilbert Dionne missed it by one goal

 

[Mike C]

That's really impressive, but the Clarke stat that always knocks me out most is how few goals against he was on the ice for, in his prime.

For the 4 straight seasons 1974-75 through 1977-78, his goals against totals were: 52, 53, 70, 51.

So, that's hugely impressive in itself. But, then remember he was a penalty killer, too. When you subtract the PP goals against, this is how many goals against he was on the ice for in those four seasons: 19, 23, 43, 33.

When we talk about Bobby Orr deserving the 1975 Hart instead of Clarke (an opinion I don't necessarily disagree with), we should pause to remember that Clarke, playing all 80 games, scored 116 points, and was on the ice for 98 ES/SH goals for his team and 19 ES/SH goals against. In the back to back seasons of 1974-75 and 1975-76, the number is 204 ES/SH goals for and 42 against.

I mean, those are utterly ridiculous numbers.

also, clarke was an awesome face off man

 

[Michael Varnakov]

Most individual statitics in the NHL seem to focus more on offense, but there is one specific stat on defence that I would like to see adopted:

Who leads the league in most passes intercepted or broken up?

I guess just like goal scoreing leaders, there are a certain number of players that simply have a knack for doing this more often, and at more critical times than others.

Now here is a classic example:

Late in game seven of the 1984 Canada Cup final between the Soviets and Canada, Paul Coffe was defending a two on one break, but instead of committing to one of the players, he patiently held his ground between them.

Somehow he was able to anticipate that there was going to be one more pass, and was able to intercept it and gained possession.

What was so memorable about this was it directly led to the cup winning goal just a few seconds later assisted by Paul Coffe!

 

[The Panther]

Most even-strength goals in one season by any NHL player from 2012-13 to today:

37 - John Tavares, 2018-19

(Second place is a five-way tie between Perry, Ovechkin, Kane, McDavid, and Matthews with 35.)

 

[The Panther]

During the six-year proper "Dead Puck Era" (1997-98 to 2003-04), the most even strength goals in any one season was Pavel Bure's 45 for Florida in 1999-00.

That's quite impressive, as second best was Selanne's 41 in 1997-98, and after that it's 37 by Jagr in 2000-01. (Although wasn't that the season Bure had the record number of empty-net goals? Nevertheless, impressive.)

 

[ninakmis]

Jozef Bukovinský played Tier I hockey with glasses (teammate of Stastny brothers in Slovan Bratislava).
He booked also some National Team games..

 

[The Panther]

Jozef Bukovinský played Tier I hockey with glasses (teammate of Stastny brothers in Slovan Bratislava).
He booked also some National Team games..

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That must have been quite a spectacle...

 

[The Panther]

1990-91 Even Strength Points:
1. Wayne Gretzky -- 103
115. Ray Ferraro -- 31

1991-92 Even Strength Points:
4. Ray Ferraro -- 66
8. Wayne Gretzky -- 63

 

[Big Phil]

1990-91 Even Strength Points:
1. Wayne Gretzky -- 103
115. Ray Ferraro -- 31

1991-92 Even Strength Points:
4. Ray Ferraro -- 66
8. Wayne Gretzky -- 63

That's mind numbing. I will say this, 1992 was Gretzky's worst season up until that point. Funny how a guy gets 121 points and we recoil and say "Whaaaaattt?" Plus he was -12 that season, just bad for his standards. The Suter cross check and perhaps his dad's health at that point was a major issue that year. Coupled with the miles of his 4th Canada Cup that fall. Gretzky was starting to - at some moments - look human.

 

[The Panther]

Barring an injury, Connor McDavid is nearly certain to break the 100-point barrier in the next 10-12 games played (or less). Assuming he does so, it will be his FIFTHth 100-point NHL season by age 25. What's crazier is that he missed 100 points in 2019-20 by three, and only because of the Covid pause, or he'd have six by next month.

Still, five 100-point seasons by age 25 is crazy.

Gretzky will forever be the King here with SEVEN such seasons by age 25, and Lemieux and Hawerchuk had six by that age. But McDavid would be one shy of Gretzky (his rookie year) and matching Mario / Hawerchuk if not for Covid. (Although, I guess, with Gretzky's four 200+ points seasons by age 25, you could argue that he actually had eleven 100+ point seasons by age 25, ha ha).

Discounting Gretzky & Lemieux & Hawerchuk, nobody else has had five 100+ seasons by age 25, have they?