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Post-Game Talk: NYR @ WSH Game I: An Implosion Of Modest Proportions

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We're not a bad team.. Last night wasn't a bad played game.. We had plenty of ops to score just couldn't deliver.. Our pp still sucks c they refuse to shoot.. It's not that we're not creative or don't move the puck we just don't SHOOT nearly enought!!! Won't score unless you shoot.. Also the refs were terrible... And we as fans underestimate clowe and Boyle being out of the line up.. We need them.. No excuses tho, we need to take game 2!!! Lgr!!!!!
 
The game wasn't that bad.

Rangers came out flat, were dominated in the opening 12 minutes, and Lundqvist gave them a chance. I fully expected us to come out and get dominated. In fact, I can't remember the last time we actually opened up a game good in the post season at the Verizon Center where we played well. We got a lucky bounce. Were up 1-0, and then let the game get away.

But, the lack of finish on the PP and the number of penalties we took really let the game get away from us and it has to be addressed.

Lundqvist's performance was a mixed bag. He had to make the toughest saves in the game, but also let up an absolutely terrible goal. We went stretches where we didn't test Holtby nearly enough, and then when we had good opportunities we shot it wide, or hit the post. I can't remember the last game we've had this money shots from the slot and shoot it, literally, several feet wide. The forwards were completely off the mark.

We lost 3-1. Probably only deserved to lose 2-1. But still, the Capitals deserved it.

Lundqvist will have to be better for the Rangers. Rangers aren't going to get many goals against this new Capitals team and that 3rd goal was inexcusable.

Rick Nash will have to be much better. If we are going to win, outside of Lundqvist, Nash will have to be our best player. We aren't going to win this series if Hagelin is our best player. Nash is going to need to step it up. Same applies to Stepan (who has a lot to prove in the post season after last year), and Richards (who we depend on for big post season performances). Your best players have to best your best players to win. Ovechkin was the Capitals best player and out shined Nash the entire game. Holtby played a good game, wasn't as tested as I'd like him to be, and probably had the edge on Lundqvist (who I think faced the more difficult chances) just because of how bad that 3rd goal was. Lundqvist + Nash need to be the best for this team.

We'll get to see what Nash is really made of here.

I know certain optimistic fans will pretend that the next game isn't a must win, but the reality is, if you drop the first two on the road, you're statistically at a major disadvantage for the series. Rangers need to win one at the Verizon center. Otherwise, it's a big whole against one of the hottest teams in the NHL and they're cooked. That's the reality of it. Winning game one would have taken a lot of pressure off us.
 
In this thread:
* Fans forgetting that Rangers scored a boatload of goals the last few matches. So obviously they can score
* Fans who hate the team because they lost to another team
* Fans who forget that the opponent has good hockey players as well
* Fans who honestly expect Slowe and Boyle to be the messiah this team needs, even if they get flamed pretty much every game they participate in.
* Fans who hate Torts and the PP
* 4-5 people who actually like the team and have something positive to say.

I feel that sums this thread up
 
Idlerlee said:
In this thread:
* Fans forgetting that Rangers scored a boatload of goals the last few matches. So obviously they can score
* Fans who hate the team because they lost to another team
* Fans who forget that the opponent has good hockey players as well
* Fans who honestly expect Slowe and Boyle to be the messiah this team needs, even if they get flamed pretty much every game they participate in.
* Fans who hate Torts and the PP
* 4-5 people who actually like the team and have something positive to say.

I feel that sums this thread up
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Forgot one:

* Newbie judgmental fans who don't understand this is a board discussion of the Rangers
 
chosen said:
The reason Chicago is better than the Rangers at that stuff is talent not time spent on practice.

Reading through this thread is bizarre. If the Rangers had won, I would be reading how people think we have a legit shot of winning the Cup. As much overreacting as there is during the regular season here, I forgot how bad it can get during the playoffs.

Hold off on those suicides until they lose 4 games in a series.
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I hate it that you are of this opinion (no disrespect).

Look at their Ds, they all have a skill element to their game that our Ds do not or what?

Hjalmarsson and Oduya has vision and hands that McD, Girardi, MDZ, Stralman and co does not have?

Chicago plays one way no matter if Keith or Toews are on the ice or their 3rd line and 3rd pairing.

It is DEFINITELY not skill. Definitely not.

If someone asked me if we had the best shot of winning the Cup playing Torts hockey, I would hesitate to say no. We are extremely consequent at what we are doing, and at times teams struggle to handle us. Like what do I know, maybe it could work.

But I hate it that we can be in the situation we are in, when we fundamentally has a DIFFRENT approach than the best teams in the league -- and the ones holding the people in charge accountable CANNOT EVEN SEE IT.

History repeats itself. It's like when we didn't trap during the trapping era. The people in charge could sell that without any problem to media and fans in NY. They basically said, we are not going to ice a team that can make the POs and nobody objected.

I cannot say with 100% certainty that se can win playing like we do. But I can with 100% certainty that Chicagos gamplan is very DIFFRENT than ours...
 
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Idlerlee said:
In this thread:
* Fans forgetting that Rangers scored a boatload of goals the last few matches. So obviously they can score
* Fans who hate the team because they lost to another team
* Fans who forget that the opponent has good hockey players as well
* Fans who honestly expect Slowe and Boyle to be the messiah this team needs, even if they get flamed pretty much every game they participate in.
* Fans who hate Torts and the PP
* 4-5 people who actually like the team and have something positive to say.

I feel that sums this thread up
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Sums up all of HF boards.
 
Idlerlee said:
In this thread:
* Fans forgetting that Rangers scored a boatload of goals the last few matches. So obviously they can score
* Fans who hate the team because they lost to another team
* Fans who forget that the opponent has good hockey players as well
* Fans who honestly expect Slowe and Boyle to be the messiah this team needs, even if they get flamed pretty much every game they participate in.
* Fans who hate Torts and the PP
* 4-5 people who actually like the team and have something positive to say.

I feel that sums this thread up
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There run after the trade dead line isn't indicative of the team's actually scoring prowess. Through 35 games, we were ranked 30th in the NHL in scoring.

Then factor in, we faced the worst teams in the NHL in our 10-3-1 stretch, we saw some of the worst goaltending we've seen all season between the Panthers and Sabres, and you get a really skewed view of how this team can score.

Those 8 goal / 6 goal games for the Rangers were outliers, and if you remove them, you start to get a much better idea of what this team is capable of.
 
Lundqvist palyed first 20 min the way I wanted. After that WAS goalie was better. As a team we didn't play so bad in the second to deserve 3 GA. Calli was not his usual self, #61 slump continues. Richards... well you know. It's a long series, we may prevail. No need to panic.
 
First Man In said:
Spot on, Stralman was also hooked and taken down on the play by Perrault, but there was no whistle. Stralman is very solid and is at times our most consistent defenseman, he wasn't the reason we lost, not even close.
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I was watching the game with a friend who's only hockey knowledge is blades of steel and the foxtrax puck era and he was even asking "Why wasn't that called?"

I like Stralman and he plays/played a decent game. I don't like how weak G and McD seemed against Ovi. If only Mcilrath was ready and seasoned. We need Chara, lol
 
94now said:
Lundqvist palyed first 20 min the way I wanted. After that WAS goalie was better. As a team we didn't play so bad in the second to deserve 3 GA. Calli was not his usual self, #61 slump continues. Richards... well you know. It's a long series, we may prevail. No need to panic.
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Not trying to deflect from Hank's mistakes but Holtby was better because the team in front of him was better, we got quite a few shots but we didn't have a lot of sustained pressure. It feels like the possession we did have was mostly perimeter play that didn't amount to much.
 
Cmox said:
I was watching the game with a friend who's only hockey knowledge is blades of steel and the foxtrax puck era and he was even asking "Why wasn't that called?"

I like Stralman and he plays/played a decent game. I don't like how weak G and McD seemed against Ovi. If only Mcilrath was ready and seasoned. We need Chara, lol
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Staal. :crossfing
 
Cmox said:
I was watching the game with a friend who's only hockey knowledge is blades of steel and the foxtrax puck era and he was even asking "Why wasn't that called?"

I like Stralman and he plays/played a decent game. I don't like how weak G and McD seemed against Ovi. If only Mcilrath was ready and seasoned. We need Chara, lol
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I understand that those watching MSG never had the benefit of this particular replay, judging from some discussion on this earlier in the thread, but Perreault never made contact with Stralman with his stick. It was clear as day on one of the NBCSN replays breaking down the play later on. It was entirely glove and arm. The play was 100% legal. Beyond that, Stralman held onto the puck entirely too long and then tried to pivot in close quarters with an opponent while in open ice. What was he even trying to do? Horrible, horrible play by Stralman. It wasn't the only poor decision by Stralman last night, and I think he had a bad night overall.

Also, Girardi knocked Ovi on his ass more than once in that game. I don't know what you're expecting from him. I think McDonagh needs some instruction from Girardi on how, exactly, to play Ovi. Girardi's gotten the experience over the past few years from when Ovechkin was a LW.
 
Fataldogg said:
There run after the trade dead line isn't indicative of the team's actually scoring prowess. Through 35 games, we were ranked 30th in the NHL in scoring.

Then factor in, we faced the worst teams in the NHL in our 10-3-1 stretch, we saw some of the worst goaltending we've seen all season between the Panthers and Sabres, and you get a really skewed view of how this team can score.

Those 8 goal / 6 goal games for the Rangers were outliers, and if you remove them, you start to get a much better idea of what this team is capable of.
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Similarly, the run before the trade dead line isn't indicative of the team's problems scoring since there was pretty significant roster turnover since then.
 
We don't need necessarily need McIlrath to knock Ovechkin off his game, Staal has done a good job of it in the past by getting physical with him, delivering big hits, standing him up, etc. He is sorely missed in this series.
 
Inferno said:
who cares about the post. He made the stops he had to. Henrik didn't.

I'm not saying we lost because of Henrik...I'm saying we lost because Henrik did not outplay Holtby. It's about BOTH goalies, not 1 or the other.
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It can't just be about both goalies when there are 36 other guys lacing up. We scored one goal and didn't execute. Sorry, but Holtby wasn't challenged all that much and did not need to be anything close to spectacular. At the end of the day, our execution as a team was not there and I personally thought the Caps had better scoring chances. Lundqvist wasn't stellar, but Holtby wasn't particularly challenged and he truly isn't anything special.

How are our other 18 guys not also accountable for that? Aside from beating up on teams who were out of the race at the end of the season, where's the offensive support for Hank? A goalie cannot be counted on to be flawless every playoff game. I mean the only way we win yesterday is if Lundqvist shuts them out and we win 1-0.
 
Stale is most def physical and if we had him would clearly be a huge lift on D.. Strals and eminger have been good they shouldn't be getting the minutes they're getting!
 
Something about the refs last night. I don't know if you guys realize this. McDonagh's holding call in the first and Fehr's interference call in the 2nd were the only two obstruction type penalties all game. Yet, there was a TON of clutching and grabbing and hooking from both sides. They called the game pretty tight on the rough stuff, but VERY loose on the obstruction stuff.
 
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