Proposal: NYR - Winnipeg (Lafreniere for Scheifele)
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ole ole
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Poor Jet fansbut we do not have cap space to trade
Setting aside deep roster, etc etc, we do not have cap
We need every elc other than perhaps Jones [Fox redundant]; we have elc bluechips but not a surplus.
I would never trade a 1C for a winger unless that winger was OV or Bread or Patty Kane in his prime type.
A 1C for a prospect that, although was highly drafted, in his second NHL season is on a 20 points in 80 game pace just would never happen. It's a fireable offence for the GM moving out the core piece of their org for magic beans that if it works out likely is a point per game player, just on the wing instead of at Center.
This couldn't be an easier pass for the Jets and that is before you consider the Scheif is locked up for 2 more years after this one at a $6.125 hit for a point per game 1C.
I understand why the Rangers would want it, but there is no reason for the Jets to move out their 1st ever pick in franchise history to stockpile left wing, where we already have Connor, Ehlers and potentially Perfetti if he doesn't stick in the middle.
A 1C for a prospect that, although was highly drafted, in his second NHL season is on a 20 points in 80 game pace just would never happen. It's a fireable offence for the GM moving out the core piece of their org for magic beans that if it works out likely is a point per game player, just on the wing instead of at Center.
This couldn't be an easier pass for the Jets and that is before you consider the Scheif is locked up for 2 more years after this one at a $6.125 hit for a point per game 1C.
I understand why the Rangers would want it, but there is no reason for the Jets to move out their 1st ever pick in franchise history to stockpile left wing, where we already have Connor, Ehlers and potentially Perfetti if he doesn't stick in the middle.
Ledge And Dairy
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yes b'c until Trouba exits we will be super tight up vs the wall and like I said, cap needed for Kakko, LaF
Scheifele will turn 29.......in 8 weeks...
Lafreniere is 20 years old....
8 1/2 years difference.
In 4 years Mark will not be the same anymore and Laf will reach his prime.
I would never trade Laf for him...age factor and it's major
Lafreniere is 20 years old....
8 1/2 years difference.
In 4 years Mark will not be the same anymore and Laf will reach his prime.
I would never trade Laf for him...age factor and it's major
Lafreniere does not get you Scheifele 1 for 1. Just because he might be really good in 3 years...Scheifele is really good right now and might get you a Cup now.
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lol, f*** no. Only a complete idiot is trading the former 1AO after 85 games, esp for 29 year old Scheifele.
smoneil
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That 16 mil? First, subtract 6.5 million, because you forgot Chris Kreider (that guy leading the league in goalscoring). Then subtract about 3.5 in dead cap (the last years of the Shattenkirk, Girardi, and DeAngelo buyouts). That leaves 6 million to cover 4 regular roster forwards, a spare forward and D, and a backup goalie. Also have to account for bonuses and cap wiggle room. Even if you go league minimum on those last 7 roster spots, it puts them over the cap (for a team with 8 bottom six players--mostly 4th liners-- in the starting lineup. There are literally only four top six players in that list). And since Kakko is one of those spots to be filled, that's at least one player who won't be league minimum.
The math doesn't work. The Rangers can't absorb any medium sized contracts, to say nothing about larger contracts.
Beyond that, the Rangers' window opens after two more seasons, when their kids have had a couple playoff runs and the flat cap goes away. No point selling kids for top end talent right now.
And beyond THAT, there's the fact that Laf is the first #1 overall draft pick (and just the third top 5 overall draft pick) the Rangers have ever had in the modern era (mid-60s, when the league expanded beyond six teams). They aren't going to give him up after a year and a half of hockey.
Overrateprospects
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Interesting proposal because Rangers couple use an upgrade at Centre but at the same time that isn’t moving the needle over Strome enough to lose Laf. Rangers could do it with couple LW prospects coming up but not sure why Jets do it losing a RHC with a franchise that has a hard time attracting top tier FA. If they are trading him it should be a younger Centre. I’m sure putting PLD next to Laf would be interesting thou
One Winged Angel
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The problem is that it’s not just about next year.
You’re not thinking big picture, when it comes to cap.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
In the following seasons, yes.
Between the end of this season and the end 24-25 season, the vast majority of this team as constructed needs new deals.
Scheifele is a great player and I’d love to have him, but I don’t see how it would work.
Scheifele at 20 years old..scored 13 goals.
Look what Huberdeau did at 20. Laf was better than Huberdeau in the Q..at 16,17,18 years old.
A 29 years old...for this kid...come on.
It's like the Pacioretty vs Suzuki's trade...
And why would the team with the 1st OA pick trade it for a guy who has been terrible at the NHL lvl for 2 straight years?
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For LaF? No.
MS is one of the few guys that I would entertain for Schneider though, which is a bigger need in The Peg.
MS is one of the few guys that I would entertain for Schneider though, which is a bigger need in The Peg.
Scheifele is worth more as he is a known value, is in his prime and is a center (worth more than winger). Not sure, but is Winnipeg even in a situation where they have elite depth at C?
Jets say no, Laf is not a center and he is not even in the top-6 as winger (or they will try him if the get him), so very bad for the Jets
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I don't understand why the argument is always "getting a 1c". Rangers don't need a 1c. Rangers need a very good 2c. We shouldn't be tossing away assets to acquire a 1c. Having a Crosby/Malkin, McDavid/Draisaitl (meaning a 1-2 punch down the middle with 1Cs) would be great, but there's several holes to fill and that would stop us from being able to do that.
Thanks very much. I've been super busy and did not have chance to provide sharp review. A+ for this solid deep dive, professor!
Qward
Because! That's why!
I think the biggest issue is that Mark only has 2 years after this season left on his deal.
If you were the GM that traded a recent 1st overall for 2 years of a player, you arent going to be the GM much longer or ever again.
If you were the GM that traded a recent 1st overall for 2 years of a player, you arent going to be the GM much longer or ever again.
