Confirmed Trade: [NYR/VAN] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, 2025 1st round pick (top 13 protected)
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pld459666
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Let you know after the Lottery.
Not expecting to win, but it provides clarity.
pld459666
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Also, as for Millers contract, in 2 years, 8 million will be 2nd liner money which is probably what he will be then.
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Quatre Vingt Treize
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Going to be hard on next year. It's great draft plus generational player available
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if the rangers draft him he'll suck anyway
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I agree the Rangers will likely use their pick and give up their unprotected 2026 first. Their GM is counting on a bounce back year next season. IMO that’s a huge mistake. They are an aging core that is on the decline. It’s likely that pick next season is even higher. And next year’s draft has McKenna and is supposed to be a much better draft class than this year.
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I’d be completely floored if they are a bottom 11 team. Drury will retool this offseason and we still have a top 3 goalie in the league, if he even plays a little better next year we could be back in the playoffs.
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I hope it works out for both teams.
As a canuck fan i am incredibly disappointed by both these players, who through their unprofessionalism pretty much on their own derailed what was looking like a contending team. There is no doubt they are both supremely talented — how many guys put up 100+ points in this league? But also how many guys in any pro sport force ownership to break up a good thing because ‘they cant get along.’ I live in NYC, i remember how many fans here were bummed when JT was shipped to TB originally, but most would admit he had a bad attitude rep following him around. That has not gone away. He is the ultimate “awesome when its going his way / brutal when its not” type of player, and always has been. The whole NHL saw that disgraceful episode when he screamed at the backup goalie. Hopefully he has matured and will help NYR for most if not all of a contract which is reasonably priced. EP is a bigger concern for me, cost more money and while he might be more talented and is clearly younger, I HATE even remotely having to question the heart of one of my team’s players. I’m still 50-50 on whether the Canucks should trade him while they can, knowing that like this trade, they’ll get the lesser return almost certainly, and my team will be even more brutally weak up the middle (when a little over a year ago, we had center depth that was arguably the envy of every team in the league, but the oil.) Part of me would like to see them ship his ass to Buffalo for Norris or something and see him ride his scooter around in 6 feet of snow.
Anyway, dont see the point in the arguments btw fanbases of two of the most disappointing teams this year — hope both do better.
As a canuck fan i am incredibly disappointed by both these players, who through their unprofessionalism pretty much on their own derailed what was looking like a contending team. There is no doubt they are both supremely talented — how many guys put up 100+ points in this league? But also how many guys in any pro sport force ownership to break up a good thing because ‘they cant get along.’ I live in NYC, i remember how many fans here were bummed when JT was shipped to TB originally, but most would admit he had a bad attitude rep following him around. That has not gone away. He is the ultimate “awesome when its going his way / brutal when its not” type of player, and always has been. The whole NHL saw that disgraceful episode when he screamed at the backup goalie. Hopefully he has matured and will help NYR for most if not all of a contract which is reasonably priced. EP is a bigger concern for me, cost more money and while he might be more talented and is clearly younger, I HATE even remotely having to question the heart of one of my team’s players. I’m still 50-50 on whether the Canucks should trade him while they can, knowing that like this trade, they’ll get the lesser return almost certainly, and my team will be even more brutally weak up the middle (when a little over a year ago, we had center depth that was arguably the envy of every team in the league, but the oil.) Part of me would like to see them ship his ass to Buffalo for Norris or something and see him ride his scooter around in 6 feet of snow.
Anyway, dont see the point in the arguments btw fanbases of two of the most disappointing teams this year — hope both do better.
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I think Drury will be directed to do what you suggest. IMO that’s a mistake. Panarin, Zib, Miller, Kreider and that Rangers core is aging out. They don’t have the young players to fill those minutes. They are a declining club. I see them having a drop like Boston just had. They should give up their first this draft, trade away their older players (if possible; NTCs and value will make that hard to do) and rebuild a new core.
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Would be stupid unless we win the lottery. Next years draft is supposed to be 2003 esque, no?
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Maybe. But i feel like every year we hear this. I’d be thrilled with the 11th this year and hope he draft whichever player falls.
Tawnos
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It was an off-year for Shesterkin, like the rest of the team. He was one of the worst goalies in the league when the game was tied and clearly gave up goals he wouldn't have normally, even if his overall statistics still looked good. Can't see him having two off-years in a row.
You keep this year's pick if you win the lottery. If you don't, you defer it to next year for multiple reasons. One is that next year is a better draft, so your 11-15 pick is more valuable. Another, it lets you sign a player to an offer sheet that you wouldn't be able to if you don't have the 2026 pick. Not likely to happen, but this offseason is a good one to make sure you have the option.
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With their 32 year old+ top six? We don’t even know who the coach is gonna be. It’s a bad hockey move to defer to next year but giving up this years pick means admitting that the Miller deal was stupid.
I would say they move the pick to Pitt for 2025, as it is #11 for this draft. Panarin news, who knows what that means for his future. 25/26 is also his final year under contract. Do, they extend him or let it ride out?
They have to decide what players they think will be at #11 and whether they like them enough to take the risk of their 2026 being unprotected and belonging to divisional rival Pitt. Because, it's not about the pick #, it's about who is going to be there and how much the club/scouts like that player. If they are really high on someone, they keep the pick. If they don't love who is likely to be there, they move it.
Schaefer, Hagens, Misa, Frondell, Martone appear to be the top 5 for most boards, but one could fall a bit.
McQueen, Eklund, O'Brien, Deschoyners part of the next tier, though one could rise up or fall. So could be there at #11.
Then there's the next tier, where it really depends on a team's evaluation.
Have to decide before the draft, so won't know if any of them will be there.
Ott had to decide in 2018 and they kept the Tkachuck pick, and sent over the Byram pick for 2019 when they were one of the bottom clubs. They knew that they were not going to be a great team in 2019, so that pick was going to be high.
Who knows what the expectations are for the Rangers next season. They need to decide that as well as determine what they think about pick #11 this year.
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Just couple questions; when do they have to make their decision? Did Panarin incident affect Rangers season?
Not sure. Dubas, Pitt GM said that NYR get to decide. It would likely have to be before draft day, I would guess at a minimum, it is 24-48 hours before, vs like sometime before the NHL combine. So, again, Rags won't know who is on the board at the time. Going to have to go on gut, cause then Pitt needs to do their homework as well and also can work a trade if they are looking to move the pick.
As for Panarin, this occured in the 23/24 season when they won the President's trophy. But, what do they decide to do moving forward now that this incident has made the news. Panarin wanted to be in NY when he hit UFA. Now at age 33, turing 34 in Oct, he doesn't have the same market as before.
When good teams drop, it often happens fast. Boston went from 7th best in 24 at 109 points to 76 this season. Rags dropped from 114 to 85 this season.
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Not true.
You’re finding some weird micro stat and ignoring the bigger picture. His analytics were good overall. Rangers defense was basically the worst in the league statistically.
With league average goaltending we would’ve been a top five worst team in the league. We only got close to the playoffs because Igor pretty much stopped .020 more of the shots (SV%) compared to what was expected based on the shots he faced.
Last year both teams was doing great. This year after trade they didn't made a dance. Coincidence? Warning. This is a joke.
Tawnos
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You realize both things can be true right? A goalie can have good analytics and still have a down year for him.
That microstat bears out something we saw a lot from him this year, which was giving up a goal he usually would save in a high-leverage situation. That can happen without causing negative statistics.
Rangers give away the pick they in essence are admitting next year is a potential tank. I think keeping a lottery potential pick in 2026 is more about not giving the Pens that chance. Imagine they stink and don't have the pick to off set that. With the older players in decline and the question surrounding said star player, Rangers are not drafting a change the game player at 11 this year. But man if the Pens get the 2026 pick and it is a top pick, Rangers will have to deal with that for a long time.
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post lottery will decidr
Someone above them winning pushes them to a higher point or they win, it moves them up.
Given uncertainty next year and thr deeper draft they should give it up thus year.
That's not how it will work
As we gave seen in other leagues with rising caps the stars get the money. It doesn't do much with the middle.
As it adjusts the offer sheet comp chart you will see small increases in bridge deals and small increases in ELC max comp and league min salaries.
Millers contract in 2-3yrs when get falls off a cliff will still handcuff the team
Starting to really look at this Mancini kid.
Big boy. RHD. Can shoot the puck decently and can actually skate for his size. Would be a wild one to see him turn out to be the wild card between the teams in regards to value
Big boy. RHD. Can shoot the puck decently and can actually skate for his size. Would be a wild one to see him turn out to be the wild card between the teams in regards to value
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