Confirmed with Link: NYR/VAN: Carson Soucy for 3rd Round Pick from VGK trade

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It was the equivalent of lighting a $1 bill on fire. 3rd draft picks are an absolute crapshoot.
I'm not here to argue over the value of an asset as long as we agree that their wiped their asses with a draft pick.

They already have three of this guy.

This isn't the worst move the Rangers have ever made but it's certainly the most pointless one they've made since they traded Lee Stempniak for nobody, except that one was kinda funny.
 
Were Soucy and Borgen partners in Seattle? Will Lavy finally play Miller-Fox as a duo?
Are these are pairings when everyone is healthy?
Miller-Fox
Soucy-Borgen
De Zacanainen-Schneider
 
I'm not here to argue over the value of an asset as long as we agree that their wiped their asses with a draft pick.

They already have three of this guy.

This isn't the worst move the Rangers have ever made but it's certainly the most pointless one they've made since they traded Lee Stempniak for nobody, except that one was kinda funny.
In the last 3 months when has Drury made a move for specifically this season? It’s all about next season and beyond. Like I said Jones and CDH will be gone next season. We are still going to need bodies. All Drury did was spend $1 on a lottery ticket. Obviously there is the risk that he’s on the decline but f*** it. Burn a 3rd to see if this season is truly just a down year for him and we just got a quality 3rd pairing dman for minimal price.
 
Soucy and Borgen sure played together in Seattle and they were not very good
As I alluded to before, I feel like Drury did the right thing with Lindgren, and then raised the bar to the lofty heights of "here's this guy who's below average."
 
In the last 3 months when has Drury made a move for specifically this season? It’s all about next season and beyond. Like I said Jones and CDH will be gone next season. We are still going to need bodies. All Drury did was spend $1 on a lottery ticket. Obviously there is the risk that he’s on the decline but f*** it. Burn a 3rd to see if this season is truly just a down year for him and we just got a quality 3rd pairing dman for minimal price.
Why not just sign CDH for less then? He's demonstrably better.
 
Why not just sign CDH for less then? He's demonstrably better.
This is not directed at you MH, but when we acquired CDH I'm pretty sure 99% of our posters flooded the board with posts about how de Haan was absolute flaming garbage. And now we bring in Connor Spicy and I'm reading a lot about how CDH is better. I don't know much about Spicy so I'm not really sure what to believe.
 
Why was keeping De Haan or Jones as the much cheaper option for the 3rd pairing not a consideration in your estimation? Why are we paying 5.5M for a bottom pairing? Completely unnecessary.
The logic dictates that they don't plan on both guys being on the bottom pairing, and I don't know how you could watch this team for any length of time and not think that's the most believable thing in the world.
 
Why not just sign CDH for less then? He's demonstrably better.
Because there is no guarantee that CDH will be less. Also CDH may want to test the market. Would you rather have Soucy at his current cap hit or an overpaid CDH? Is CDH that much better compared to Soucy’s previous season? Factor in the pay raise for CDH and Soucy becomes the more desirable player.

This is not directed at you MH, but when we acquired CDH I'm pretty sure 99% of our posters flooded the board with posts about how de Haan was absolute flaming garbage. And now we bring in Connor Spicy and I'm reading a lot about how CDH is better. I don't know much about Spicy so I'm not really sure what to believe.
They are both arguably bottom pairing Dmen. But some fans are just unhappy because they think he’ll get top pairing minutes because he’s big.
 
This is not directed at you MH, but when we acquired CDH I'm pretty sure 99% of our posters flooded the board with posts about how de Haan was absolute flaming garbage. And now we bring in Connor Spicy and I'm reading a lot about how CDH is better. I don't know much about Spicy so I'm not really sure what to believe.
Not me, I read!

I warned up to Borgen because he filled an immediate hole. I was good with Vaakanainen because he filled an immediate hole. I was good with de Haan because he filled an immediate hole.

Now there's another one. We're collecting these guys. Soucy, CDH, Jones, Vaakanainen, Borgen, and honestly Schneider are probably all bottom pairing defensemen.

And right now, I just don't believe that they're collecting a fistful of bottom pair defensemen to compete for one spot on the bottom pair.

The logic dictates that some of these guys are getting crowbarred into the top 4 next year. I think that fear is understandable. Playing defensemen too much is a Rangers tradition like blue jerseys are a Rangers tradition.
 
Fox needs someone to protect him while he creates offense. I don't mind it the guy will be I
Our Rempe on defense. After the shellacking Washington gave us Drury is probably sick to his stomach and I don't blame him
 
It’s probably a better idea in general to have 4 guys who are competent and can fill roles on defense over trying to overpay for true 2nd pairing guys and then having shit on the 3rd parin
Not me, I read!

I warned up to Borgen because he filled an immediate hole. I was good with Vaakanainen because he filled an immediate hole. I was good with de Haan because he filled an immediate hole.

Now there's another one. We're collecting these guys. Soucy, CDH, Jones, Vaakanainen, Borgen, and honestly Schneider are probably all bottom pairing defensemen.

And right now, I just don't believe that they're collecting a fistful of bottom pair defensemen to compete for one spot on the bottom pair.

The logic dictates that some of these guys are getting crowbarred into the top 4 next year. I think that fear is understandable. Playing defensemen too much is a Rangers tradition like blue jerseys are a Rangers tradition.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the team traded Vaak and Jones tomorrow? That would clear the logjam.
 
He was a microstat darling for one season in. 22-23. Every other season has been bad to terrible. Really bad at exiting the defensive zone. Bad in the offensive zone. Good at defending the blue line. I saw more promising data from Borgen before he was acquired.
Whats our biggest weakness defensively?

Defending the rush. His analytics even this year show his biggest strength are denying entries
 
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It’s probably a better idea in general to have 4 guys who are competent and can fill roles on defense over trying to overpay for true 2nd pairing guys and then having shit on the 3rd parin


Wouldn’t it be interesting if the team traded Vaak and Jones tomorrow? That would clear the logjam.
It would be interesting in the same way the sun coming up is interesting, but I'd feel better if they recouped assets doing that.
 

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