Adele Dazeem
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This offer has zero effort put into it. Tkachuk just signed an 8-year extension + received captaincy. There is NOTHING the Rangers could offer (even this astronomical package) to warrant Ottawa trading their captain.
Proposal: NYR & OTT
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inthewings
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Ah, a classic case of a fan of Team A making a proposal so bad that other fans of Team A think he's a fan of Team B.
eye test says otherwise
they are not shutdown but don't need to be.
They are driving play which = reduced time in Rangers zone
Again this is false. The play between 3rd and 4th line competition and are starting 66% in the O zone. Their corsi is 51%. They aren't driving play, they are doing the opposite of that.
You do realize they have all of these stats readily available for anyone to see now right? Maybe at some point after you get called out for making things up for the 500th time you'll stop.
The Rags have 3 elite pieces. Fox, Panarin and Shesterkin.
Some very nice other players like Kreider, Zibanejad, Miller, Trouba, Strome and Lindgren.
The rest of the roster are below average NHL players. Some will develop into more. I think Laf, Kakko and a couple of your defensemen.
Some are low potential weak playera that for some inexplicable reason you think are elite pieces of value. Chytil and Lundkvist come to mind.
A very good example of a trade, that can happen only in videogames...
Yea yea, we’ve heard that argument before. with Jagr/Nash/Gaborik etc the list goes on. Chemistry doesn’t always work in theory. It’s a big part of why Hunt is currently enjoying success with strome/panarin despite Kakko being the far superior player in every aspect.
He’s also been Arguably our most consistent best all around winger the entire season. Especially when panarin was tacking on points yet playing bad hockey.
Kakko on the other hand was snake bit in the points department yet playing very well despite what the stats may show.
I seen you conveniently left him off your list of important rangers pieces.
Just one of the many things you continue to be incorrect about when stats watching the rangers instead on people that actually watch the players every game.
And this has nothing to do with Bern. Bern is Bern. Will always be Bern. Some things are just inexplicable
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Sure...
Being a ranger fan you should know from the parade of high end players over the years it didn’t with with Jagr/Nash/ Gaborik ....
How many guys magically add 30+ points to their totals??
Big fan of Tkachuk and the brand of hockey he plays. I think he’ll regularly be around a 70 pt guy when he’s firing on all cylinders. He’s got some runway to improve he’s still young.
He might have 1-2 years where you see him eclipse those pt totals as well.
But it’s not as if your going to see a big jump in ice time or usage if traded to NY.
He’ll still get Top 6 min. I doubt he takes Kreiders spot away on the 1PP. At least not yet.
It took kreider years to perfect his net front presence on the PP. screens/Deflections/ etc he’s turned into one of the best if not the best in the league since Holmstrom in that regard. And he still has elite speed. This might be the best year he has numbers wise in his career. Why move that out for an unknown?
Not this season, not in the middle of the run they are having. It’s the same reason why the rangers would be stupid to deal strome even if he prices himself out next year.
Getting playoff experience and playing on a good team that wins is very important for our kids going forward.
It builds culture and character and it shows them what it takes, and how you have to work to be successful.
Why mess with any of that currently?
Rangers wouldn’t trade LaF for the prime piece for Pre-injury Eichel when Adams asked, he’s certainly not going to be dealt for Tkachuk.
He won’t be dealt for anyone frankly, unless it was something stupid like Drai/Mcdavid which would never happen either.
You give you stud prospects til 22-23 to show you what they’ve got. Especially our 1st and 2nd OVA picks in forever.
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bert
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For that package id definitely consider it. Lafrenieres performance has been very underwhelming, id need to watch him for a little while before going ahead with something like this. Even though you are right it doesnt make sense given the recent events in Ottawa.
I understand you are trying to be funny but the OP actually has real valuable tangible assets going both ways. Including the most valuable asset going to the Rangers.
This isnt funny or close to the OP proposal.
Is this serious? Worst than the OP in terms of value (which was in Ottawa's favor).
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Yes I left Kakko off the list of good players because his game needs growth. I think he'll get there unlike what I think of Chytil. But currently he isn't an above average NHL player.
Panarin had made a vast difference for everyone he's ever played with. As a Rags fan you should know this. Comparing Kakko or Hunt to what Brady would do with him is a bit silly.
Once again the point goes past you. Why isn’t kakko putting up major points when paired with strome/Panarin?? He’s obviously good and has skill?
With that kind of sense he should be a 60-70pt player with those 2 this year?
I’m not comparing Hunt to kakko or Tkachuk. I’m saying chemistry is a very weird thing.
In theory, panarin should have scored more with PLD as opposed to strome.
Hunt is finding success with those 2 because he does the dirty work for that line, has some speed, and is good at entering the zone. Similar to why blackwell and Fast has success in that role.
Just putting Tkachuk there, doesn’t guarantee he’s a consistent 85pt plus player there. They could be terrible together. Or more then likely Tkachuk would pretty much produce how he’s playing now. Not magically jump 25-30 pts
Especially if he’s not on the 1PP where strome/Zibby/Panarin generate a lot of their points with kreider parked in front and fox running the show from the blueline while the other team only has 4 players on the ice.
Your Assessment is hinged on a pretty tremendous point increase for Tkachuk by just basically him playing 5 V5 minutes with strome/Panarin, a I doubt you’ll see that much of an increase as to what he’s producing now.
Many Ranger fans are hoping Laf steps into Stromes role on the PP next year and has similar success, but again, there’s no guarantees, and it’s a lot to ask from a 21 yr old.
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FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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For someone who obsesses about the Rangers, you of all people should realize he doesnt care about stats. His only motivation is to be "proven right", which happens about 1% of the time.
The point is going past you Jay. Kakko is not good and skilled. He is a young player with potential. He's not remotely comparable to Tkachuk. Tkachuk, Strome and Panarin are playing chess while Kakko is playing checkers. You have to be able to think the game to play with skilled players. It's why guys like Strome and Monahan who aren't play drivers can do it and guys like Richardson can't.
I don't obsess about the Rags. I obsess over calling out the fanbase stupidity.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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Your eyes are lying to you. The get taken apart by quality opposition. It's why the coach avoids it.
Yup, I have little tolerance for blatant stupidity. I can't help it that half of the stupidity on these boards comes from one fanbase. You seem somewhat less myopic than most. But still a bit off.
sure. I missed the point. Whatever you say. If Kakko a
Had an ounce of puck luck for the 1st 10 games of the season he’d have about 20 pts right now .
Once again, Tkachuk Playing on a line 5 v 5 with panarin and strome wouldn’t magically numb his stats to 35+ goals and 85 + pts. That’s not how it works.
You can stat watch all you like, as well as paint the entire fan base with the same brush, even though that’s not the case either.
The proof is in the pudding with wins and losses and the team performs on a nightly basis.
There’s little point in discussing it further. No need for any more condescending or Douchey comments.
Enjoy your teams season.
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I don't think anyone put those numbers up except you. I saw one guy suggesting 75-80 points. As usual, Rags fans have the gift of hyperbole. You say playing with Panarin has no effect. Yet empirical evidence shows it has a vast effect. Strome has produced double with Panarin. Zibanejad's production almost triples with Panarin. A replacement level AHL journeyman has 4 points in 4 games playing with Panarin.
Take Panarin away from the Rags and you have one of the worst offenses in the league. It's like the Flames with Gaudreau, except even more so.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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If you think half the stupidity comes from one fan base, you are the one thats off.
Rags fans only understand hyperbole. I figured I'd speak the language of the culture I'm talking to.
We’ve been over this. Especially your stance on Panarin Zibby who only play together on the PP. there’s no need to revisit that dumb argument. of course they are going to produce when the other team only has 4 players on the ice and Fox/Zibby/Panarin play 140 of a 2 minute PP.
No one is denying strome/panarin chemistry. It’s weird. It’s a 2-way street because Panarins numbers are the highest in his career with strome. Not in CBJ, not in chicago
That’s what I’m trying to show you, chemistry isn’t a given. You can’t just plug a guy in and expect it to work.
In theory players should produce more when paired with other offensive players, but it doesn’t always work out that way.
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