Confirmed Trade: [NYR/OTT] Mika Zibanejad & 2018 2nd round pick for Derick Brassard & 2018 7th rounder

[Karl Eriksson]

Sens desperate attempt at having two #2 centers instead of a true #1

Better than two 3C's like Bozo and Kadri

 

[Tommy]

Love this for the rangers.

 

[CanadianHockey]

Where do Sens fans feel your team is realistically at? Legit question, it seems like a futures for immediate help kind of trade. Are you closer to competing or closer to rebuilding/retooling?

Lack depth to be a contender. Could be a dark horse, could be a bubble team.

 

[Riptide]

Wait what? I'm not saying every team has 1 top line C. Some teams have 2, others have none. There are 30 teams so really there are 30 #1Cs scattered around the league. Brassard is in that 30.

No, just because there's 30 teams doesn't automatically mean there's 30 #1Cs (or 31 next year when Vegas comes in).

 

[Phasenet]

Am I the only one that thinks this is terrible for the Rangers? They were so close to the cup 2 seasons in a row. Too soon to blow up that competitive core. They only had one bad season geez.

 

[Brew]

Better than two 3C's like Bozo and Kadri

I mean, Matthews at 1, Kadri (who is a 2C) as a 2, and Bozak as a 3, heh, I'm fine with that til Bozak is moved.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

I prefer this trade for Ottawa, but i hate the fact that this deal was only going to be completed if the Rangers paid the $2M bonus.

Trade likely would have been better if we agreed to pay the signing bonus.

 

[Riptide]

I feel bad for Sens fans. Obviously a trade because of the owner not having deep enough pockets. Bad trade.

I think it's a good trade that helps the team budget wise, but also makes them a better team on the ice. Zibby wasn't fitting in, so no issues getting a pass first center who should make his linemates even more dangerous.

Where do Sens fans feel your team is realistically at? Legit question, it seems like a futures for immediate help kind of trade. Are you closer to competing or closer to rebuilding/retooling?

This gives them a solid top 6 group with 6 legitimate top 6 forwards in Ryan, Hoffman, MacA, Stone, Brassard and Turris. They also have a good but not great goalie and a solid top 4D group. Depending on how they spread out the top 6 talent and who steps up, it's quite possible that they have the talent to roll 3 offensive lines who can produce, or load up on two of them with a decent 3rd line.

That's not a contending team, but I'd be surprised if they did not make the playoffs next season. Given that they're in the Atlantic, it's possible that they could go a round or two depending on how the bounces go.

 

[HabsQC]

They got an established hometown boy. With Boucher and Brassard, Sens might have sold a few more tickets in Gatineau (Gatineau being a 250k people suburb town across the river and also being in Quebec) People there are mostly habs fans, but the PK trade might have some people switch sides.

 

[HSF]

Hoffman - Brassard - Stone
Macarthur - Turris - Ryan
Smith - Pageau - Lazar


Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci

Anderson


IMO that's a playoff team in the east. Dorion also wants to add a bottom pairing defensemen

 

[Riptide]

Sens desperate attempt at having two #2 centers instead of a true #1

Most teams have to draft #1Cs. Fortunately Ottawa has one or two who might develop into one. However Brassard gives them time to see how things go while still providing Ottawa with a solid player who can help the team make the playoffs.

 

[HabsQC]

Now the rangers have two habs killers. The goalie crusher and the puck kicker

 

[Riptide]

Am I the only one that thinks this is terrible for the Rangers? They were so close to the cup 2 seasons in a row. Too soon to blow up that competitive core. They only had one bad season geez.

I think it's a smart move for them (both teams actually). I think it's fairly safe to say that NYRs core as is, isn't likely to win a cup in the next 2 years. I mean maybe, but they really need to make some changes. It doesn't look like PIT or WSH is going anywhere any time soon, and PIT absolutely wrecked them in the 1st round this year. Keeping Brassard likely doesn't change that. Zibby long term might. He's younger and gives them a few more options going forward. And NYR got that 2nd (even though that pick will not likely be an impact player for 6 years if ever, it's still another asset). So even if Zibby doesn't hit his stride, as long as his next contract is 2+ years, he'll likely be a Ranger longer then Brassard would have, and will always be 5 years younger.

Like I said, a smart move for both clubs that addresses each of their individual needs.

 

[MarkStone]

Now the rangers have two habs killers. The goalie crusher and the puck kicker

We figured Pageau was doing such a good job that one was expendable

 

[harrisb]

Zibby's consistency issues are conditioning and effort related. I can't say that brassard even early in his career had consistency issues due to lack of effort and dedication. That alone makes them vastly different and one is a mindset issue, zib just doesn't seem to care.

Zib also played with Hoffman, Ryan and Karlsson, if brassard has the same linemates all of their numbers are going to go up (maybe not EK). I don't care what anyone says, brassard didn't have that caliber of linemates and it flat out matters.

 

[Batrous]

Short term. Senator win this deal in that they get an upgrade in their forward group via a solid centre that could play in either of the top lines if needed.

Over the long term: They lose this deal potentially if Zibanejad can continue to develop his game into that of a better top 2 centre. They also give up a higher draft pick in the trade which can potential turn into a solid prospect but get a pick back near the end of the draft. They also have Brassard signed to a longer term deal which could hurt if he doesn't perform well but that is unlikely. They now do not have a 2nd round pick in the draft until 2019.

So over the long term the Ranger could probably win in this type of deal.

Overall both sides got what they wanted, the ranger get some short term cap breathing room and a high draft pick 2 years from now, the senators get a forward upgrade.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Why did the Rangers trade Brassard not Stepan - I guess Stepan regarded as a lot better?

I'd liked Brassard a bit more but I probably wasn't paying enough attention.

 

[PAZ]

It makes sense with Melnyk as the owner. This is their best window of opportunity within the next few years to get a chance at a deep run in the playoffs and retain Karlsson. Unless the Sens prove to Karlsson that they're willing to do what it takes to win, he's gone after his contract IMO. This moves shows that, now we'll see if it'll improve the team enough for them to take the next step.

 

[KevinRedkey]

He's 23 years old, most players don't break out until they're 25-27. I'm sure as hell he'll be motivated by a change to NY. I think this trade is going to be horrible for the Sens after a few years.

Most forwards drafted In the top 10 who do break out, normally do it by age 22. Many players get better in their mid 20's, but they are normally late bloomers (who weren't drafted early), players with less than 164 games played (~2 full seasons) or defensemen.

Take the 2009 draft for example. Tavares, Duchene, Kadri, Schenn, Glennie, MPS, E.Kane... They are only 25 and we don't expect any of them to "break out" do we? They already have, or that ship has sailed.

 

[TT1]

Why did the Rangers trade Brassard not Stepan - I guess Stepan regarded as a lot better?

Brassard is better than Stepan imo (although the gap isnt big, and im sure plenty of ppl would rather have Stepan), factor in their contracts and i easily take Brassard over him. Brassard was NYR's most used center this past season.

 

[MarkStone]

It makes sense with Melnyk as the owner. This is their best window of opportunity within the next few years to get a chance at a deep run in the playoffs and retain Karlsson. Unless the Sens prove to Karlsson that they're willing to do what it takes to win, he's gone after his contract IMO. This moves shows that, now we'll see if it'll improve the team enough for them to take the next step.

Yeah, Dorion will probably have to consider trading Westbrook at that point as well.

 

[SpezDispenser]

OK well then for Sens' fans sake they make other significant moves in the next 2-3 years while they still have Brassard.

We just got Phaneuf as well, for quite a low cost, so it's not like Ottawa isn't at least working on getting better.

 

[aufheben]

No, just because there's 30 teams doesn't automatically mean there's 30 #1Cs (or 31 next year when Vegas comes in).

IMO being Top-30 in points at your position is a better metric than...whatever else people are using.

 

[darko]

No, just because there's 30 teams doesn't automatically mean there's 30 #1Cs (or 31 next year when Vegas comes in).

So what is a #1C to you?

 

[darko]

Why did the Rangers trade Brassard not Stepan - I guess Stepan regarded as a lot better?

I'd liked Brassard a bit more but I probably wasn't paying enough attention.

Stepan is 3 years younger.