Rumor: NYR having active trade talks on Zucc, Hayes, Kreider & Namestnikov

[GoldiFox]

Would you trade that for JT Miller?

Since 15-16

Kreider 535 hits, 89 goals, 130 even strength points and 176 points

Miller 479 hits, 76 goals, 143 even points and 189 points.

You get more hits and goals from Kreider but more production from Miller. Miller is two years younger and signed long term at a good caphit while Kreider is a UFA after next season. Miller can also play center and can play up and down the lineup and produce. When on the Rangers together Miller the last 3 seasons either had the same amount of points or more points than Kreider.

No chance. From my view Kreider is a much more impactful player and his playstyle fits Rod Brind'Amour's system better. You also conveniently forget to include that Miller played 30 more games during that time.

I'd trade a 2nd for Miller this off-season if Tampa wanted to shed Cap.

 

[Alluckks]

No chance. From my view Kreider is a much more impactful player and his playstyle fits Rod Brind'Amour's system better. You also conveniently forget to include that Miller played 30 more games during that time.

I'd trade a 2nd for Miller this off-season if Tampa wanted to shed Cap.

Also that Kreider is just a much more well rounded player. And I forget where to find it but there were some stats that backed up Kreider being one of the best net front players in the league, which doesn't come up on the typical scoresheet.

 

[HoseEmDown]

No chance. From my view Kreider is a much more impactful player and his playstyle fits Rod Brind'Amour's system better. You also conveniently forget to include that Miller played 30 more games during that time.

I'd trade a 2nd for Miller this off-season if Tampa wanted to shed Cap.

I won't deny that Kreider can make a bigger impact when he's on, he's just so inconsistent that he's not always on. Miller has his own inconsistency but has proven he can out produce him and that's with less PP time, Kreider was always getting 1 more minute of PP time and still couldn't out produce him. Sure Miller played more because he's always healthy, this was his first year since he was a rookie he missed a game. Kreider has yet to play a full 82 game season.

I don't get how you'd do a 1st + top prospect for one but a 2nd for another. Kreider doesn't make them much more an impact than Miller for that big a gap.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Kreider doesn't make them much more an impact than Miller for that big a gap.

As a Rangers fan who watched 90% of the games both Miller (pre-trade) and Kreider have played...yes he does. Just my opinion.

 

[bigdog16]

Id be willing to part with Kreider if the right offer is there. Hes in his prime and by the time the Rangers turn it around i dont think he will be the same player. He has a unique play style and i dont think he will be able to be as effective as he gets older. Id bet he has 3-4 more valuable years before he starts regressing.

On the other hand, hes a good mentor for the younger guys. Especially the fact that he can speak Russian and has helped them adapt to North American lifestyle.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Also that Kreider is just a much more well rounded player. And I forget where to find it but there were some stats that backed up Kreider being one of the best net front players in the league, which doesn't come up on the typical scoresheet.

How is he more well rounded? Not saying Miller is anything special in that department but he can play center or the wing and has played on all 4 lines for Tampa this year. Kreider hasn't been out of the top 6 for years, doesn't play center and I don't think he's ever taking a PK shift in his life. Sure he's a good net front presence but he's not that well rounded.

 

[Dijock94]

I won't deny that Kreider can make a bigger impact when he's on, he's just so inconsistent that he's not always on. Miller has his own inconsistency but has proven he can out produce him and that's with less PP time, Kreider was always getting 1 more minute of PP time and still couldn't out produce him. Sure Miller played more because he's always healthy, this was his first year since he was a rookie he missed a game. Kreider has yet to play a full 82 game season.

I don't get how you'd do a 1st + top prospect for one but a 2nd for another. Kreider doesn't make them much more an impact than Miller for that big a gap.

Seriously the Rangers had both players, you can’t sell us on there isn’t a big gap between the two. We watched them, Kreider drives the play drastically for our team and has for years. Miller puts up points in spurts and disappears completely for long stretches. Clearly there is a reason lightning fans are already looking to move Miller off the team in year one of his deal, assuming you guys are starting to see some of his negatives as well.

 

[txpd]

If there is any truth to Krieder getting traded, and I don't think there is, he would look great on the Caps 3rd line. I expect if the report is true, that the Rangers are listening but wont sell Krieder unless they get a 1st and they wont get that. So, he stays.

On the chances its possible. The Capitals are already a load in a playoff series.

Ovechkin and Wilson on the 1st line
TJ Oshie on the 2nd line
Krieder on the 3rd line.

There is next to no rest from the pressure and the pounding

 

[OVO16]

Man Kreider would be a great fit on the Leafs.

What would rangers fans want?

 

[Ori]

Man Kreider would be a great fit on the Leafs.

What would rangers fans want?

Early picks 2019/2020 and some Pizza, but not Papa John’s Pizza. I don`t mind some Pizza hut, but a good young prospect with an early pick is a good start for the Rangers rebuild.

 

[bigdog16]

Man Kreider would be a great fit on the Leafs.

What would rangers fans want?

Probably nothing you’d be willing to give up

 

[Justin17]

If there is any truth to Krieder getting traded, and I don't think there is, he would look great on the Caps 3rd line. I expect if the report is true, that the Rangers are listening but wont sell Krieder unless they get a 1st and they wont get that. So, he stays.

On the chances its possible. The Capitals are already a load in a playoff series.

Ovechkin and Wilson on the 1st line
TJ Oshie on the 2nd line
Krieder on the 3rd line.

There is next to no rest from the pressure and the pounding

He’d easily get a first

 

[LaffyTaffy]

The Rangers have said they would want a foundation piece in return for Kreider, so any offer from Carolina not including Necas/Fox + 1st + is a non-starter. You may think that just because he isn't a 80 point player that he isn't valuable, but he gives you 55+ points no matter what, he'll be the fastest player on your team and he'll be a leader as well as provide a level of physicality. He is a jack of all trades and those kinds of players make all the difference on NHL squads, it aint all about the Malkins and Gaudreaus. Kreider's price will be set just as high as Panarin's considering that he is still signed for another year so he isn't a rental.

 

[rt]

AZ 2nd is too early in the round for Namestnikov. A 3rd would be more appropriate.

Just re-checked Namestnikov’s contract. Arizona’s 3rd is too steep a price. The Rangers would have to retain some common him and take a contract back.

Namestnikov has a 4m hit that expires after next season. Kevin Connauton has a 1.375m hit that expires after next season. I’d do Connauton for Namestnikov with 25% retained. Rangers save 1.625m in cap hit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If there is any truth to Krieder getting traded, and I don't think there is, he would look great on the Caps 3rd line. I expect if the report is true, that the Rangers are listening but wont sell Krieder unless they get a 1st and they wont get that. So, he stays.

On the chances its possible. The Capitals are already a load in a playoff series.

Ovechkin and Wilson on the 1st line
TJ Oshie on the 2nd line
Krieder on the 3rd line.

There is next to no rest from the pressure and the pounding

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

HF: He's a rental. Don't want to pay for a rental. *offers crap package*

Also HF: He's signed long term. Cap hit too high. Too much term. *Offers crap package*

Some of you are hilarious

 

[Calad]

Man Kreider would be a great fit on the Leafs.

What would rangers fans want?

As i said earlier, and I'm sure this will sting...

Sandin + 2020 1st + 2019 2nd + Horton

for

Kreider @ 50% + Depth player of choice (Fast, Vesey, McQuaid) + 2020 7th

If you want Kreider for 2 playoff runs, and especially if you can't offer a 2019 1st, I'd want your top prospect for him.

 

[Kupo]

I expect if the report is true, that the Rangers are listening but wont sell Krieder unless they get a 1st and they wont get that. So, he stays.

And poof goes whatever credibility you had.

Inferior players have been traded for more over the last two deadlines.

You obviously don’t have a clue when it comes down to evaluating players values.

 

[Justin17]

Just re-checked Namestnikov’s contract. Arizona’s 3rd is too steep a price. The Rangers would have to retain some common him and take a contract back.

Namestnikov has a 4m hit that expires after next season. Kevin Connauton has a 1.375m hit that expires after next season. I’d do Connauton for Namestnikov with 25% retained. Rangers save 1.625m in cap hit.

Rather have Namestnikov with the extra cap hit.

 

[Vitto79]

Would need to be blown away to move Kreider

Zuc and Hayes are for sure gone and Namestnikov if they get enough , if not hold off a year

 

[wintersej]

Try Vaak, Studnicka, Fredric, 2019#1 and a conditional 2020 #1.

Somewhere in the middle.

 

[mti79]

Sandin + 2020 1st + 2019 2nd + Horton

for

Kreider @ 50% + Depth player of choice (Fast, Vesey, McQuaid) + 2020 7th

We have very different definitions of depth player. To me, that would be strome, Nieves, pionk...

That would not be one of our most versatile players who wears an A, a defenseman who will have value on his own instead of being a throw in, and a young forward who has shown flashes.

Just my opinion though

 

[Lays]

Would you trade that for JT Miller?

Since 15-16

Kreider 535 hits, 89 goals, 130 even strength points and 176 points

Miller 479 hits, 76 goals, 143 even points and 189 points.

You get more hits and goals from Kreider but more production from Miller. Miller is two years younger and signed long term at a good caphit while Kreider is a UFA after next season. Miller can also play center and can play up and down the lineup and produce. When on the Rangers together Miller the last 3 seasons either had the same amount of points or more points than Kreider.

Miller isn’t close to Kreider and never has been. I’m sure any Rangers fan can back that up as well

Kreider’s much more involved, (much) better in the playoffs, a better locker room guy (why is one of the reasons why JTM was traded), a better goal scorer, better defensively, better play driver etc etc
Not even comparable and I seriously doubt you’ve watched them play enough just from this comment

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Man Kreider would be a great fit on the Leafs.

What would rangers fans want?

Kapanen plus lilejgren

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Adam Fox + Canes 2019 1st (top-3 protected) for Kreider

As a Rangers fan I would do this.