Seravalli: Flames trying to trade for a center

[Barsky]

Do you honestly think every contender just drafts a top line, top defenders, and a goalie with top 5 draft picks? That would take 20 years. Winning teams typically draft 1-3 of those players with top 5 picks and then fill in the rest through a combination of later draft picks, trades, and UFA signings.

Montreal has loads of talent right now. Slafkovsky is developing into a solid top line player. You aren't going to get a MacKinnon or Bedard with every first overall. Slafkovsky should be a solid fit in Montreal, because of his size.

No, but ideally you draft your foundational pieces cause good luck finding them on the open market. "Defense wins championships" so I'd start there and sorry, but a 5"9" d-man is not the sort of thing I would want to build around and Guhle will be nice going forward but a winning D needs a strong backbone, a Doughty, Petro, Dahlin, Sanderson, etc type guy who is great a both ends. Then down the middle and Suzuki would be a nice 2C but Dach is too fragile and doesn't seem to have the offensive chops imo, though he is the ideal body type for a #1. Goalies are voodoo, total crapshoots, but important too obviously. Slaf is nice but that wasn't a great draft and you don't build a winner around a winger, not to mention his one goal this year leaves a lot to be desired offensively, but he's still young and was rushed into the NHL prematurely, much to his detriment imo.

I'm a Sens fan and so obviously biased against the Habs, but they're too small overall for my liking and their big guys don't have the offense needed. Just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I could see the Flames having some interest in Kirby Dach. Obviously, depends on what the Flames' scouts (who are great at what they do) see.

Of course they would, but that's a lot different from the Dvorak/Matheson proposals.

 

[HuGort]

I could see the Flames having some interest in Kirby Dach. Obviously, depends on what the Flames' scouts (who are great at what they do) see.

Dach former third overall pick, isn't totally back from injury yet. Won't move him for less than Andersson

 

[blankall]

Dach former third overall pick, isn't totally back from injury yet. Won't move him for less than Andersson

Dach doesn't have the value to bring back Andersson, alone. You can add. Dach is 23, turning 24. His draft position has little impact on his value. In 2022, he was traded for the 13th overall and a 3rd. His value has gone down since then.

Demidov arrives next year be start of great run. He's like Kaprizov

You guys keep talking about how much talent you have, and yet also expect to draft top 5 for the next 3 years and pick up franchise level forwards. That's not happening. Montreal does indeed have lots of talent on the team and coming onto the team.

You sell off what you have and go full tank or you build upon it.

 

[Kahvi]

Dach former third overall pick, isn't totally back from injury yet. Won't move him for less than Andersson

How about Huberdeau, former third overall pick. Would give Habs some veteran leadership. You know you want to.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Krebs, Ostlund and second for Andersson

 

[HuGort]

Dach doesn't have the value to bring back Andersson, alone. You can add. Dach is 23, turning 24. His draft position has little impact on his value. In 2022, he was traded for the 13th overall and a 3rd. His value has gone down since then.

We pass on that. Look at difference in age and control/ contract. Dach can be dominant when healthy.

This is our last draft we draft high. Not only Demidov but Laval is stacked and we have 20 million coming off cap next summer

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Finally trying zary out at center. Been wanting that all year

Finally. These are the lines I wanted them to start the season with. I hope they stick

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Krebs, Ostlund and second for Andersson

Somehow, this is funny, but the Sabres are not giving two top-five prospects for 1.5 years of Andersson. Make it a 1st, 2nd and Krebs. Choose your own 1st rounder

 

[Mrfenn92]

Somehow, this is funny, but the Sabres are not giving two top-five prospects for 1.5 years of Andersson. Make it a 1st, 2nd and Krebs. Choose your own 1st rounder

You quoted yourself

Krebs, Ostlund and second for Andersson

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Somehow, this is funny, but the Sabres are not giving two top-five prospects for 1.5 years of Andersson. Make it a 1st, 2nd and Krebs. Choose your own 1st rounder

It's a bad offer because neither Krebs nor Ostlund are conversation starters for a #1 RD on a sweetheart contract. If Andersson is made available there will be league wide interest due to his cap hit. An offer like that will get blown out of the water

 

[TotalHomer]

It's a bad offer because neither Krebs nor Ostlund are conversation starters for a #1 RD on a sweetheart contract. If Andersson is made available there will be league wide interest due to his cap hit. An offer like that will get blown out of the water

It's a solid offer. Andersson will get what Chychrun got, 1st, 2x2nd, or something similar. Both with similar cap hits and an extra year left.

 

[Figgy44]

How about Huberdeau, former third overall pick. Would give Habs some veteran leadership. You know you want to.

Laine + Dach + Anderson
for
Huberdeau + Pelletier + Morin?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

It's a solid offer. Andersson will get what Chychrun got, 1st, 2x2nd, or something similar. Both with similar cap hits and an extra year left.

Chychrun got a high 1st and 2 2nds. Neither of Krebs or Ostlund have value of a high 1st

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

It's a bad offer because neither Krebs nor Ostlund are conversation starters for a #1 RD on a sweetheart contract. If Andersson is made available there will be league wide interest due to his cap hit. An offer like that will get blown out of the water

Make it Kulich or Helenius, then take out Ostlund. Up the value of the top prospect. But the contract is really 1.5 years or less. It's a great contract, but it's almost expiring. And resigning him likely gets you into ridiculous numbers on a long-term deal for a guy in his 30s for almost the whole deal. He won't sign a 3 to 4-year deal unless it's a cup contender in a low-tax jurisdiction. He'll want 7 or 8 years in Buffalo. I just can't see two of an organizations top 5 prospects for a rental, albeit with one extra year. Maybe, add a B guy. Like Poltapov and Calgary can try and get him over from Russia.

 

[crackdown44]

Make it Kulich or Helenius, then take out Ostlund. Up the value of the top prospect. But the contract is really 1.5 years or less. It's a great contract, but it's almost expiring. And resigning him likely gets you into ridiculous numbers on a long-term deal for a guy in his 30s for almost the whole deal. He won't sign a 3 to 4-year deal unless it's a cup contender in a low-tax jurisdiction. He'll want 7 or 8 years in Buffalo. I just can't see two of an organizations top 5 prospects for a rental, albeit with one extra year. Maybe, add a B guy. Like Poltapov and Calgary can try and get him over from Russia.

I don’t get the impression his extension numbers will be outrageous. I imagine a ballpark of 7x7 gets it done tbh. I think whoever trades for him will do so with every intention of extending him anyway

I think you’re quite close in value though with a Buffalo 1st + a guy like Kulich or Helenius and then either a lesser prospect or some roster filler

I think the flames can maybe get more from a team that wants to dump some bad cap in the deal too because they have plenty of space to take that on but obviously it depends what’s out there

Don’t think they’re in a rush to move him though unless someone really puts up an offer they can’t ignore. Could be more of a draft day trade

 

[Bond]

I don’t get the impression his extension numbers will be outrageous. I imagine a ballpark of 7x7 gets it done tbh. I think whoever trades for him will do so with every intention of extending him anyway

I don't think he will get less than Hanifin

 

[saska sault]

How does one Joe Veleno sound?

 

[HighLifeMan]

How does one Joe Veleno sound?

Veleno for Rooney

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I don’t get the impression his extension numbers will be outrageous. I imagine a ballpark of 7x7 gets it done tbh. I think whoever trades for him will do so with every intention of extending him anyway

I think you’re quite close in value though with a Buffalo 1st + a guy like Kulich or Helenius and then either a lesser prospect or some roster filler

I think the flames can maybe get more from a team that wants to dump some bad cap in the deal too because they have plenty of space to take that on but obviously it depends what’s out there

Don’t think they’re in a rush to move him though unless someone really puts up an offer they can’t ignore. Could be more of a draft day trade

A Buffalo 1st and Helenius are essentially two top elite prospects, given the Sabres's propensity for top-10 picks... LOL. I can't see the Sabres giving up that much. I think $7 M is way too light unless he goes to low-tax jurisdiction. Once you get into seven or eight years with someone almost 30, you are buying so many crappy years. Likely. Hate those contracts,
Flames probably will wait and I never get that unless they really have some solid shot at playoffs. You are trading two trade deadlines and a season if you move him. To me, that is worth so much more.

 

[Kahvi]

How does one Joe Veleno sound?

I dont know. Italian?

 

[Slats432]

Krebs, Ostlund and second for Andersson

Should have tried Ryder, Halak and a 2nd. They might have bit.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Make it Kulich or Helenius, then take out Ostlund. Up the value of the top prospect. But the contract is really 1.5 years or less. It's a great contract, but it's almost expiring. And resigning him likely gets you into ridiculous numbers on a long-term deal for a guy in his 30s for almost the whole deal. He won't sign a 3 to 4-year deal unless it's a cup contender in a low-tax jurisdiction. He'll want 7 or 8 years in Buffalo. I just can't see two of an organizations top 5 prospects for a rental, albeit with one extra year. Maybe, add a B guy. Like Poltapov and Calgary can try and get him over from Russia.

You are acting like 2 playoff runs at half his contractual value isn't peak trade value. It is very rare for a player so underpaid to be moved with more term than that. If he's made available 25 teams will want him.

If you want him Kulich/Helrnius, 1st, and 2nd. Protection on the 1st is fine but no later than 2026

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Personally I would be open to a Helenius + top ten protected first for Rasmus.

 

[Finnen]

Joe Veleno?