Seravalli: Flames trying to trade for a center

HuGort

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You're delusional if you think the Flames are a playoff team. We have a rookie and a mediocre backup sharing the net, below average defense and mediocre offense. A hot start doesn't change who they are. Enjoy Florida's pick because you aren't getting Calgary's.
I don't think playoff team, but on outskirts. That's a decent team. I Watch some of Kings game, that young goalie they have man he's quick. East to West, he's as fast as any in league. That's a good goalie. Flames defense plays well structured game. Forwards are weak but bottom won't fall out on them. Only thing take them down would be key injuries.
 

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I don't think playoff team, but on outskirts. That's a decent team. I Watch some of Kings game, that young goalie they have man he's quick. East to West, he's as fast as any in league. That's a good goalie. Flames defense plays well structured game. Forwards are weak but bottom won't fall out on them. Only thing take them down would be key injuries.

The Kings game was probably their best defensive structured game they've played this season. Not something I see them being able to replicate consistently. Wolf is great but he's still young and there will be growing pains before he reaches his full potential. They might not be a bottom 3 team this year but they'll end up picking top 10 and that means Montreal will get Florida's pick. There's too many holes on this roster that they won't be able to fill by committee every night.
 

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The Kings game was probably their best defensive structured game they've played this season. Not something I see them being able to replicate consistently. Wolf is great but he's still young and there will be growing pains before he reaches his full potential. They might not be a bottom 3 team this year but they'll end up picking top 10 and that means Montreal will get Florida's pick. There's too many holes on this roster that they won't be able to fill by committee every night.
What would Calgary give up for a center? Montreal is only team you can trade your first to
 

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Montreal is only team you can trade your first to
Not true. Calgary can't trade their own first round pick to any team directly. They can make a trade with any team, and that trade would have conditions based on which pick Calgary keeps and which pick goes to Montreal.

That kind of trade with the Florida 1st round pick is part of the reason why the Monahan trade conditions are so complex.
 

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Not true. Calgary can't trade their own first round pick to any team directly. They can make a trade with any team, and that trade would have conditions based on which pick Calgary keeps and which pick goes to Montreal.

That kind of trade with the Florida 1st round pick is part of the reason why the Monahan trade conditions are so complex.
Montreal would end up with both. Condition would matter much less. Only condition remaining would be if both teams finish bottom 10, which will not happen. We could trade you Dvorak for Florida first?
 

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Montreal would end up with both. Condition would matter much less. Only condition remaining would be if both teams finish bottom 10, which will not happen. We could trade you Dvorak for Florida first?
Just like Matheson, Dvorak is not a young center.

But Flames can trade you Kirkland for Habs 2025 1st, so you get a veteran center to help your playoff push.
 

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Just like Matheson, Dvorak is not a young center.

But Flames can trade you Kirkland for Habs 2025 1st, so you get a veteran center to help your playoff push.
We not in playoff push. You are. We are in top draft pick push. You the buyers, not us.
 

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Possible yup, but what is the sense if we give up our pick? We not buyers!!
Well help the Flames of course. Maybe you are not buyers yet, but you could be, and that would be a great start. Just think about all the possibilities.

But if you want your 2025 1st round pick back, Flames could trade that for Slaf? you'd get help with your tank and a high pick
 

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Well help the Flames of course. Maybe you are not buyers yet, but you could be, and that would be a great start. Just think about all the possibilities.

But if you want your 2025 1st round pick back, Flames could trade that for Slaf? you'd get help with your tank and a high pick
We not buyers, not trading our picks. I don't know what you can't understand about that? I am going to put you on ignore. People who obviously don't know the game I get rid of. Clears out the clutter. Leaves just knowledgeable fans

Our pick will be either Schaefer or Martone. A core player. We not trading it.

We would like to offer you one mildly used Mika Zibanejad.
Be good fit for Flames. Solid top 6 center.
 

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We not buyers, not trading our picks. I don't know what you can't understand about that? I am going to put you on ignore. People who obviously don't know the game I get rid of. Clears out the clutter. Leaves just knowledgeable fans

Our pick will be either Schaefer or Martone. A core player. We not trading it.
I was offering you your pick back?
 

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They faced a lot of easier opponents early as well as it usually takes a few games for teams to get into season form. That should be evident by how high scoring most games were to start the year.

I'm not saying they are only going to get 44 more points this season (their pace since that win streak), I'm just responding to the Habs troll that is constantly posting these things here and on the Flames board. If he's allowed to exaggerate calling Calgary a playoff team then I can do the same with their record since that win streak.
What this current Flames team does have is jump. They managed to catch a few teams who came out flat or disorganized at the start of the season. They also had horseshoes up their $_$#@, with so many goals getting called back and bounces going their way. That early run definitely isn't reflective of how the season will go.
 

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We not in playoff push. You are. We are in top draft pick push. You the buyers, not us.
Lol. What does Montreal need to start winning? They have Caufield, Suzuki, and Slafkovski. Plus two more top five picks after that. They supposedly have all these great defensive prospects and young players too.

At a certain point you have to build around what you have or you end up in a cycle of losing.

Seems like Montreal has the talent, they just need to start playing better. A better goalie would do them wonders too.
 

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Lol. What does Montreal need to start winning? They have Caufield, Suzuki, and Slafkovski. Plus two more top five picks after that. They supposedly have all these great defensive prospects and young players too.

At a certain point you have to build around what you have or you end up in a cycle of losing.

Seems like Montreal has the talent, they just need to start playing better. A better goalie would do them wonders too.
Well then things are not as they seem, cause they do not have the talent, they have no game breakers, up front, in back, or in net. Their best players are too young and/or too small, so they'll need two or 3 more years b4 they can even think about playoffs and that's IF Demidov and Reinbacher live up to their draft position, which doesn't look likely with Reinbacher so far, but still too early to tell. Habs fans need to find some patience, easier said than done
 

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Well then things are not as they seem, cause they do not have the talent, they have no game breakers, up front, in back, or in net. Their best players are too young and/or too small, so they'll need two or 3 more years b4 they can even think about playoffs and that's IF Demidov and Reinbacher live up to their draft position, which doesn't look likely with Reinbacher so far, but still too early to tell. Habs fans need to find some patience, easier said than done
So the plan is just to abandon the cement talent and somehow draft game breakers? That's not going to work unless they also trade Caufield and Suzuki. They are good enough to win some games and keep the Habs out of a high draft pick.

Since 2018, the Habs have had 4 top five picks and you think they need 3 more?
 
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So the plan is just to abandon the cement talent and somehow draft game breakers? That's not going to work unless they also trade Caufield and Suzuki. They are good enough to win some games and keep the Habs out of a high draft pick.

Since 2018, the Habs have had 4 top five picks and you think they need 3 more?
Ideally yes, cause it's about the quality of those top 5 picks. Slaf is nowhere near the level of most 1OA's, not his fault, it was just a bad year, those happen. Hutson is just too small imo to be a good #1D and Reinbacher doesn't look like he'll fit the bill either, but it's early and D take time. Demidov could be great, still too early to tell though. Cauf is tiny and is the epitome of a one trick pony, ya it's a great trick, but he has one single assist on the season for a reason. Winners can be built without super high end talent, but it's rare ('06 Canes come to mind) and not the ideal path to long term success, just my opinion and I know most Habs fans disagree
 

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Lol. What does Montreal need to start winning? They have Caufield, Suzuki, and Slafkovski. Plus two more top five picks after that. They supposedly have all these great defensive prospects and young players too.

At a certain point you have to build around what you have or you end up in a cycle of losing.

Seems like Montreal has the talent, they just need to start playing better. A better goalie would do them wonders too.
Demidov arrives next year be start of great run. He's like Kaprizov
 

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Ideally yes, cause it's about the quality of those top 5 picks. Slaf is nowhere near the level of most 1OA's, not his fault, it was just a bad year, those happen. Hutson is just too small imo to be a good #1D and Reinbacher doesn't look like he'll fit the bill either, but it's early and D take time. Demidov could be great, still too early to tell though. Cauf is tiny and is the epitome of a one trick pony, ya it's a great trick, but he has one single assist on the season for a reason. Winners can be built without super high end talent, but it's rare ('06 Canes come to mind) and not the ideal path to long term success, just my opinion and I know most Habs fans disagree

Do you honestly think every contender just drafts a top line, top defenders, and a goalie with top 5 draft picks? That would take 20 years. Winning teams typically draft 1-3 of those players with top 5 picks and then fill in the rest through a combination of later draft picks, trades, and UFA signings.

Montreal has loads of talent right now. Slafkovsky is developing into a solid top line player. You aren't going to get a MacKinnon or Bedard with every first overall. Slafkovsky should be a solid fit in Montreal, because of his size.

You're not selling anything of interest though. So it's easy enough to move on.

I could see the Flames having some interest in Kirby Dach. Obviously, depends on what the Flames' scouts (who are great at what they do) see.
 

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