Friedman: NYR giving Kravtsov permission to seek trade

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Seems like a Brannstrom for Kravtsov swap waiting to happen.

Nah. The Rangers need C prospects. Kupari for Kravtsov.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Nah. The Rangers need C prospects. Kupari for Kravtsov.

Yeah, that seems more likely.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Not everyone is as thin skinned as you bud. If he can't take the ribbing then he shouldn't be so aggressive about his opinion. Most likely I figure he knew he was playing a part and being a little over the top for comedic effect, and now that it's gone the way it has he knows that there's going to be some ribbing. There's nothing malicious about it.

Do you want me to quote all the posts that deliberately admitted it wasn't a ribbing? I think rushing to the computer to try to dunk on a stranger is taking this pretty seriously.

You should read the thread before you start throwing out your personal attacks that are wrong on many fronts.

 

[Taswell]

Bellows and a 2nd, final offer

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Is Kravs comparable to Nickushkin? Cause having two of those would just make me a happy happy man.

No, he's a skill player with an average defensive game. Completely different style players.

 

[SI90]

How does this prove what he said? Wahlstrom himself is a barely established 3rd line NHL'er. He is doing better than Kravtsov has so far, but it doesn't mean they weren't both bad picks at 9 and 10. I have never understood why Rangers and Isles fans have cared so much about how the other player has fared. These are not 1st and 2nd overall picks that the teams had back to back. 9 and 10 OA picks are still mostly projects, and often don't pan out. You can't be putting too much on if these guys pan out. These two players don't even play the same style of game. I don't know why it's such a contest between these two players. I don't care about Wahlstrom's success or lack thereof than any other Islander player.

They regret it because he’s a top 10 pick who requested a trade 3 years after being drafted. Wahlstrom is like Quasimodo. He predicted all of this!

 

[SI90]

Bellows and a 2nd, final offer

Wouldn’t fit in the isles locker room or culture. No room for those types of players.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Which teams got youngish promising C's that are being buried due to depth?

LA Kings' Alex Turcotte & Alfie's finger have entered the chat.



Current LA Kings center prospects...

Quinton Byfield
Alex Turcotte
Gabriel Vilardi
Rasmus Kupari
Tyler Madden
Akil Thomas
Jaret Anderson-Dolan

 

[Konk]

You don't seem to remember what the discussion is about. You seemed a little busy personally attacking a stranger to understand what is being discussed.

It is being discussed why Kravtsov has failed and one of the suggestions was that Kravtsov was a reach. If someone doesn't believe he was a reach, it's likely that they have an opinion on where he should've been picked. Unless you believe that opinions from the posters on this website should not be allowed and we should only discuss what the media believes, I don't know why you would be against someone giving their own opinion. If you have a different opinion, explain why your opinion is different. Trying to appeal to authority doesn't add much to the discussion.

Right, I don't remember that you believe your draft board is more relevant to whether someone was considered a reach at the draft than Bob McKenzie, Craig Button, Sam Consentino, etc. I remember full well of your delusion. And you are deep in it.

You continued to personally attack me after being corrected. You claimed I'm delusional, even though you admit that my opinion essentially aligns with what the authority you were trying to appeal to thought. Instead of apologizing to me for ending up wrong, you double down on what you were wrong about and then hurl some further insults my way in doing so.

I was wrong about one small detail, where he placed in McKenzie's final ranking. I was right about absolutely everything else in my post, particularly the part about Wahlstrom and Dobson being ranked higher in all of the aforementioned rankings. Since you want to bring up faulty memory, but at the same time demonstrate you forgot everything else I mentioned in my post, let me remind you:

"He definitely was. Button had him 23, Cosentino 22nd, Pronman 15th, McKenzie 16th. Both Wahlstrom and Dobson were consistently ranked well above Kravtsov."

My point still stands. He was a reach when he was picked above both Dobson and Wahlstrom, both of whom were universally considered better picks than Kravtsov at 9th overall. They were above him in every single ranking I mentioned above and making a mistake where McKenzie had him ranked (12th vs. 16th) doesn't change that fact.

 

[bland]

LA Kings' Alex Turcotte & Alfie's finger have entered the chat.



Current LA Kings center prospects...

Quinton Byfield
Alex Turcotte
Gabriel Vilardi
Rasmus Kupari
Tyler Madden
Akil Thomas
Jaret Anderson-Dolan

And Turcotte quickly steps out of the conversation because he isn't available.

 

[kilowatt]

Agreed. LA should not trade Byfield, Turcotte, or Vilardi. I'm open to trading other pieces but they should stay put.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Right, I don't remember that you believe your draft board is more relevant to whether someone was considered a reach at the draft than Bob McKenzie, Craig Button, Sam Consentino, etc. I remember full well of your delusion. And you are deep in it.



I was wrong about one small detail, where he placed in McKenzie's final ranking. I was right about absolutely everything else in my post, particularly the part about Wahlstrom and Dobson being ranked higher in all of the aforementioned rankings. Since you want to bring up faulty memory, but at the same time demonstrate you forgot everything else I mentioned in my post, let me remind you:

"He definitely was. Button had him 23, Cosentino 22nd, Pronman 15th, McKenzie 16th. Both Wahlstrom and Dobson were consistently ranked well above Kravtsov."

My point still stands. He was a reach when he was picked above both Dobson and Wahlstrom, both of whom were universally considered better picks than Kravtsov at 9th overall. They were above him in every single ranking I mentioned above and making a mistake where McKenzie had him ranked (12th vs. 16th) doesn't change that fact.

I thought initially you were a neutral observer that took a stand because you thought I was actually wrong. Reading more of your posts, you are a partisan that hates the Rangers, thinks you need to act abrasive towards Rangers fans, and thinks you need to irrationally hate on Rangers players/prospects. There's nothing to really debate if thats all you are here to do. You could've saved us both some time if that is what you were trying to do. I initially took your argument at good faith. Clearly it's not, and you are just a partisan.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Also, everyone trying to dunk on @EdJovanovski should shut the f*** up.

It’s plain rude to try to do this to someone when their favorite player is traded or about to be traded. There’s banter and there’s being a douchebag. Trying to tag him or mention him to try to dunk on him now is the latter.

You’re new to forums or something?

Guy makes an outlandish claim. It’s part of the game.

 

[Lays]

Seems like a Brannstrom for Kravtsov swap waiting to happen.

Brannstrom would be fighting for the 1LHD spot in Hartford along with Zac Jones, Tarmo Reunanen, and Matt Robertson

 

[unicornpig]

You are? Lias was invisible in all the games vs the Avs last year, unless he was turning over the puck.

Stop commenting on kings prospects and players cause you obviously have zero clue

 

[bernmeister]

Yikes

Was the guy given a real shot at camp? Rangers fans, fill us in

we sent down 2 guys who could clear waivers to short term protect a guy [Hajek] we will trade once rosters are settled w/in 2-ish wks.

Understandably, he is upset b'c talent wise etc he does not deserve to go.
Hopefully this too shall pass.

Lias Andersson 2.0

Not even close. Lias is a POS who got more opportunity than he deserved and whined and cried when he failed.
I'm very pleased with our return in trade.

 

[bernmeister]

The deal here is a core of
K'Andre Miller an elc LD stud
+ 9OA Kravtsov
for
5OA Sanderson

those 2 pieces immediately contribute for Ott and NY will wait for Sandy, but that's ok b'c it helps deal w/bottleneck

 

[snipes]

“The Rangers don’t have a Tom Wilson problem”.

The gift that keeps on giving.

What a bizarre situation to have happen with Kravtsov.

 

[Eggtimer]

Devils and Rangers will probably never trade again ( stupid Grabner trade ) , but just seeing value , would Boqvist plus? ever work?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

The deal here is a core of
K'Andre Miller an elc LD stud
+ 9OA Kravtsov
for
5OA Sanderson

those 2 pieces immediately contribute for Ott and NY will wait for Sandy, but that's ok b'c it helps deal w/bottleneck

Ottawa fans are going to crush you for this. I doubt Sanderson is in play here and if he was they will want more than a struggling Kratsov for the kicker in what you're proposing.

 

[bernmeister]

Ottawa fans are going to crush you for this. I doubt Sanderson is in play here and if he was they will want more than a struggling Kratsov for the kicker in what you're proposing.

bern cannot be crushed
forget brass, I got diamond balls
many have tried, none ever succeeded.

As to the point raised, right now there is a lot of dumping on Kravtsov b'c he complained about getting short end of the stick --- but that is temporary.
They made provision for him by moving Buchnevich.
And Krav has skills to play C, which he did at high level of int competition.

I understand you saying Sens fans would want more, but objectively, Krav is a legit real deal talent, as is Miller (he with the large reach you cannot teach), who started last year and w/minimum training and adjusting from F, looked good until end of year when Trouba went down w/injury. Sure, there is room to quibble. But on paper that is a sizeable amount of talent now for a guy who will not get there til next year.

Do we think Sanderson, as good as he is, is on the level of McDavid? Or even Draisatil? No.

 

[Konk]

I thought initially you were a neutral observer that took a stand because you thought I was actually wrong. Reading more of your posts, you are a partisan that hates the Rangers, thinks you need to act abrasive towards Rangers fans, and thinks you need to irrationally hate on Rangers players/prospects. There's nothing to really debate if thats all you are here to do. You could've saved us both some time if that is what you were trying to do. I initially took your argument at good faith. Clearly it's not, and you are just a partisan.

Hey Rangers fan named Pavel Buchnevich defending the Kravtsov pick... I have news for you:

 

[Lays]

Devils and Rangers will probably never trade again ( stupid Grabner trade ) , but just seeing value , would Boqvist plus? ever work?

No. Devils aren’t getting Kravtsov for pennies on the dollar especially for a player who would be in Hartford for us

“The Rangers don’t have a Tom Wilson problem”.

The gift that keeps on giving.

What a bizarre situation to have happen with Kravtsov.

What does Tom Wilson have to do with this?

 

[scallionjj11]

bern cannot be crushed
forget brass, I got diamond balls
many have tried, none ever succeeded.

As to the point raised, right now there is a lot of dumping on Kravtsov b'c he complained about getting short end of the stick --- but that is temporary.
They made provision for him by moving Buchnevich.
And Krav has skills to play C, which he did at high level of int competition.

I understand you saying Sens fans would want more, but objectively, Krav is a legit real deal talent, as is Miller (he with the large reach you cannot teach), who started last year and w/minimum training and adjusting from F, looked good until end of year when Trouba went down w/injury. Sure, there is room to quibble. But on paper that is a sizeable amount of talent now for a guy who will not get there til next year.

Do we think Sanderson, as good as he is, is on the level of McDavid? Or even Draisatil? No.

HF wont let me type out enough face palm emojis .....

 

[ER89]

Someone hold edjovanovski