Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[NikC]

I don’t think you have to worry about Dolan’s involvement as much as you think you do.
Chosen posted some insightful things about his unfortunate experience working with
Personalities like James Dolan.
Having worked in the corporate arena for many years with similar personality types, I can attest that when some “higher-ups” get in the weeds with us workers… its usually very messy.
In that instance, he interfered because HE THOUGHT HE KNEW BETTER!
But… those same maniacs will give an incredibly long leash to people in the organization that are
Deemed “specialists”.
Dolan hired Sather, because he believed (on paper) he was getting the engineer of Edmonton’s 5 SC wins! CAn’t fault him with that logic.
Drury was blessed by all the hockey personnel employed by the NYR to date and Dolan respects that.

 

[Edge]

Also, who wants to bet that we see the pack coaching staff get the promotion next year after the Quinn group is let go?

I think if they're gonna make it change, it needs to be for someone established, not necessarily someone like Knoblauch.

 

[CLW]

Lol Dolan cleans house for “underachieving” snd gives Drury both jobs. Drury doesn’t want to commit to being a playoff team.

Again I don’t mind him being GM but I’d like to hear why we actually impulsively fired the front office because it’s very clearly not about underachieving

Lol. There's a big fat 250k fine telling everyone exactly why they were fired. What is even "funnier" is that no one dares say a word about it.

 

[Edge]

This fanbase is irrational when it comes to the Trouba contract. It was a fair signing. Yes, he's highly paid, but the entire organization crumbled without him. Seriously.

He's an integral part of our defense and we needed to sign a proven entity that can throw some hits.

I'm completely fine with the Trouba contract. The Kreider contract is, I think, a fairer thing to criticize. And if that's the type of thing Dolan didn't like, I think I'm fine with that. But, for some reason, I doubt it.

I feel like Trouba's contract is more tied into his value to us than it is compared to other defensemen around the league. At his age, and when the contract runs through, I feel more comfortable with his deal than say, if we signed him at 28/29 to the same deal.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This fanbase is irrational when it comes to the Trouba contract. It was a fair signing. Yes, he's highly paid, but the entire organization crumbled without him. Seriously.

He's an integral part of our defense and we needed to sign a proven entity that can throw some hits.

I'm completely fine with the Trouba contract. The Kreider contract is, I think, a fairer thing to criticize. And if that's the type of thing Dolan didn't like, I think I'm fine with that. But, for some reason, I doubt it.

Funnily enough, you see how bad this team gets pushed around without guys like Kreider and Trouba in the lineup. Could you imagine how much worse this season would have gone if you didn't have these guys around the team?

 

[Filip Chytil]

I'm not taking anything significant from that presser.

We'll just have to wait and see on what the actions are this offseason to judge what's going down.

 

[rangers1314]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

 

[Kodiak]

The answer to the first paragraph is yes. All of the above.

And yes, the second part is very interesting and frankly tends to align with your first sentence.

So we're all just trying to ascribe rationality to irrational decisions to make ourselves feel better?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

Oh boy lol

 

[JCProdigy]

I think if they're gonna make it change, it needs to be for someone established, not necessarily someone like Knoblauch.

Yeah I don't get the want for Knoblauch if you don't like Quinn because he had no NHL coaching experience. You're putting yourself in the same place of hoping that he translates to an NHL head coach.

 

[CLW]

I think if they're gonna make it change, it needs to be for someone established, not necessarily someone like Knoblauch.

Brind'Amour came from in house, having done his dues Drury like. Bednar was handpicked to oversee the on ice rebuild and maturation of the Avs. Neither had NHL head coaching experience from before. I get it if Knoblauch is not ready, if he isn't he isn't.

Is there really no one talented like that out there for the Rangers to find, outside of the recycled dino circuit? I mean, Tocchet is loved by many in the old boys club, and he knows his stuff within a limit but is he flexible enough for a team in transition like the Rangers? What success he had in Arizona came mostly when he had veteran grinders to line up, coaching forward talent isn't his calling card exactly. Julien is just horrid, look at the mess he left behind in Montreal, all huff and puff hard work and little brains. Babcock is another hopeless one, although in contrast to Tocchet he did manage to lay a foundation for the youth, but other issues with him make me leery. And so on.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

to the last thing, McKenzie said the same thing the summer after the letter went out.

His exact words weee something along the lines of “New York is New York and the Rangers are the Rangers”

 

[rangers1314]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

Elliotte also mentions Briere as a guy whos close to Drury who may be in the mix for a spot, but admits that he doesn't really have a feel for who he might bring in.

Also wonders if there are more changes coming to the FO.

 

[Peltz]

First order of business should be finding a way to get Lundqvist back in the organization ASAP, even as the backup if he still thinks he can play for one more year (keep Kinkaid around as well as a 3rd option).

I can't imagine that Lundqvist will be relevant at all in what the Rangers are planning.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I feel like Trouba's contract is more tied into his value to us than it is compared to other defensemen around the league. At his age, and when the contract runs through, I feel more comfortable with his deal than say, if we signed him at 28/29 to the same deal.

The value is going to be the issue and it should factor into the discussion. The honest question I have is about the process. He was signed immediately to a huge ticket. So either they knew what his cost would be and were more than comfortable, or they didn't know and just bit the bullet because they had little leverage with the situation.

I like Trouba, even before the absence. The flyers are struggling without the contributions from Niskanen. I just feel like he's overpaid. Could we have found our Niskanen at a cheaper cost to transition? If Gorton felt like it was a must have, I can respect that. But I can't look at his contract in a vacuum and it should have factored into the Panarin decision. AND if that was another must have, it 100% should have been a firm No on the Kreider contract. That's not revisionist history. I was against the Panarin deal specifically because of the commitment to Trouba. I'll eat crow there because those two deals are why I resisted the Kreider deal.

The reason it all matters is because indications are that the guy cutting the checks is wondering how all these assets scattered around the world are going to help Kreider, Trouba and Panarin win a cup in 3 seasons when they are declining. Sure Dolan is clueless, but Gorton dismantled the train tracks down the line just as he picked up momentum.

In other words, maybe he didn't make "bad" hockey decisions but he had some strategic missteps career wise. I think it's still a fair debate to wonder if those long term deals were net positive in the end if we transfer out Buchnevich, Lundkvist, a Kravtsov, a Jones, etc just to fit guys that maybe aren't core players during a cup run. I don't know that its answerable either.

 

[JT Kreider]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

As opposed to 2 summers ago when the Rangers not only were in but acquired the best UFA available, the best RFA available, and the best prospect available

 

[DanielBrassard]

to the last thing, McKenzie said the same thing the summer after the letter went out.

His exact words weee something along the lines of “New York is New York and the Rangers are the Rangers”

And it was true, we signed the best UFA of the past decade. So it's not a big departure from where the Rangers usually are. As long as it's not selling the farm for guys in their 30's.

 

[Peltz]

I think they would still mock him here because I don't think he gets the opportunities here that he gets in Winnipeg. I don't see a happy ending with him behind Fox and the problems that we're complaining about in this organization. I think if we reverse that trade, it's actually worse for us.

I don't really have a problem with Trouba and what he brought this year overall. I think it works for this team and I think his value is clearly demonstrated when we lose him.

For me it's a non-issue.

I'm 100% with you on this one.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And it was true, we signed the best UFA of the past decade. So it's not a big departure from where the Rangers usually are. As long as it's not selling the farm for guys in their 30's.

That was really a year later, this was in regards to them going HAM for Tavares and trading for Karlsson. They didn't engage in one and I don't know how involved with the other.

They've always been star chasers to some extent though. I don't see how thats changed. Hopefully it's not stupid shit for Eichel. I can say with confidence that at the very least, Laf and Fox are safe.

 

[JT Kreider]

Lol. There's a big fat 250k fine telling everyone exactly why they were fired. What is even "funnier" is that no one dares say a word about it.

That Dolan is pissed Gorton built a soft as dog shit team. Now we know the rational behind Sather going out of his way to waste cap space on an enforcer every other July 1st.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Elliotte also mentions Briere as a guy whos close to Drury who may be in the mix for a spot, but admits that he doesn't really have a feel for who he might bring in.

Also wonders if there are more changes coming to the FO.

I imagine that we're going to see some pretty big changes to the amateur scouting staff.

Gordie and Bobrov are both JG's guys. Moorehouse is JD's son in law.

Drury should just steal Ottawa's staff.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

So I think Dolan was leaning this way and when the leaders didn't view the Wilson incident in the same light, Dolan was convinced they weren't the right people. Not agreeing with Dolan, but the timing only makes sense with the statement being a factor.

Pissed off with the Isle no show games, livid about no response to Wilson in game, and then convinced about the move when JD and JG talk patience. I can only assume Sather was holding Dolan back, filtering conversations, since JD came on board. The highly emotional week just didn't provide the chance for rational decision making to win out.

 

[DanielBrassard]

That was really a year later, this was in regards to them going HAM for Tavares and trading for Karlsson. They didn't engage in one and I don't know how involved with the other.

They've always been star chasers to some extent though. I don't see how thats changed. Hopefully it's not stupid shit for Eichel. I can say with confidence that at the very least, Laf and Fox are safe.

True, forgot about the Karlsson rumors. I think Eichel is their target as much as people might be against it. Whether it will require something stupid, I guess it depends on what you consider something stupid.

 

[will1066]

to the last thing, McKenzie said the same thing the summer after the letter went out.

His exact words weee something along the lines of “New York is New York and the Rangers are the Rangers”

I'm just gonna call this out, Nolan.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Elliotte on with Hockey Central:

- Says from what he has heard, this was coming before the NYI/Washington stuff. Dolan didn't like how the rebuild was taking too long (insane) and that JD & JG pushed back and said the course they were on was the right one for the long term.
- Elliotte says Drury isn't more and less inclined to move for Eichel since the NYR already made a legit offer last summer.
- Says this is a return to the "old" Rangers were when there is a big name out there, the Rangers are in.

Yay! More Reddens. Holiks, Gomezes, Bures and Lindros' to look forward to.