Confirmed with Link: NYR Fire John Davidson and Jeff Gorton

[JT Kreider]

The optics of this are just sooooo bad I really wish there was some patience with this and just waited until the season was over so we don't look like a clownshow

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Boomer Eaison I think is inferring that Sather is the King Maker?

 

[Edge]

5 years isn't short and we haven't done anything yet to show that we were successful.

We are coming up on four years, and we're universally seen as having one of the top two systems in the league. And that's coming off a span, where we had no first rounders for 4 years.

The oldest draft picks since we actually sent the letter, are barely old enough to have a drink. One of them isn't even in the NHL yet.

This perspective that we've wandered through the wastelands forever is just not even close to reality.

 

[JT Kreider]

5 years isn't short and we haven't done anything yet to show that we were successful.

5 years is very short compared to other rebuilds. The Devils started theirs in 2012/13 and in that time frame we went to the SCF, Game 7 of the ECF, Game 6 of the 2nd round, blew up our entire core and made it back to 2 years of playoff contention. We like double lapped them.

Same with Buffalo and Arizona.

 

[007]

lol... oh brother.

Hahaha, yeah, I just needed to get out a rant... but it is something that concerns me. Instability ruins teams.

 

[huerter]

We are coming on four years, and we're universally seen as having one of the top two systems in the league. And that's coming off a span, where we had no first rounders for 4 years.

The oldest draft picks since we actually sent the letter, are barely old enough to have a drink. One of them isn't even in the NHL yet.

This perspective that we've wandered through the wastelands forever is just not even close to reality.

I didn't say that we were failing. But you don't take bows with where we are at.

 

[NikC]

We don't need it re-posted. Most of us disagreed with it the first time.

ok, stay willfully ignorant. you're comfortable there anyway

 

[Edge]

I didn't say that we were failing. But you don't take bows with where we are at.

Of course we don't.

We also don't typically praise the firing of a home construction crew that's recognized as doing a damn good job because the owner throws a tempter tantrum one weekend and laments that they weren't cutting corners for him.

 

[JT Kreider]

I didn't say that we were failing. But you don't take bows with where we are at.

Which is why just this past summer JD was still preaching patience. Nobody here thinks this is remotely close to a finished product.

We have seen like 20% of the prospects that joined the organization since/after February 2018.

 

[huerter]

Of course we don't.

We also don't typically praise the firing of a home construction crew that's recognized as doing a damn good job because the owner throws a tempter tantrum one weekend and laments that they weren't cutting corners for him.

I wanted this to happen so although we don't know why it happened exactly I'm cool with it.

 

[Edge]

ok, stay willfully ignorant. you're comfortable there anyway

Totally. It's my home base.

I sit back with a nice a cocktail, maybe enjoy a dip in the pool, as all the same D-list posters make asses of themselves and give no thought as to why anyone outside the same two or three D-listers don't celebrate their obvious, oh so apparent genius.

Then I smile, have a good laugh, and think to myself, "Aww look at little Nikki trying to flex. Isn't that special. Good for it."

 

[Edge]

I wanted this to happen so although we don't know why it happened exactly I'm cool with it.

Not surprised in the least.

 

[haveandare]

REPOST FROM FACELESS - PLEASE READ

I have been one of the most ardent defenders of the team's progress this year. I believe the strides made were impressive by many of the youngers (Fox, Laf, KK, etc.). And while I, like others, deeply appreciate your insight, I feel like you're leaning so hard into the "Dolan is a psychopath" angle here and might be a bit blind to the fact that real issues exist as a result of JD & JG. I can honestly understand why an owner would be upset with them and want them gone. Just a few that I've been thinking about since the firing:

• We've spent a lot of money on players in their prime. Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, etc. If we're not ready to compete soon, what were we thinking? Were these last two years Panarin's best? How much longer can we wait? This begs the question about what their position on re-signing 28-year-old Mika Zibanejad may have been if JDJG did not think we were ready to take the next step?
• I have to imagine the decision to choose Georgiev over keeping Hank around to mentor Shesty did not sit well. Georgiev was terrible for most of this year and is looking like a career backup. This was obvious to many of us on here who continuously pointed out Georgiev's erratic performances. We tossed aside one of the most important players in franchise history in favor of a guy we might now move anyway.
• The ADA situation. I believe the right call was made in getting rid of him. But how can you justify to your boss handing out the second largest contract on defense and then just months later excuse away banishing him. It's not like these issues with ADA weren't apparent prior to this. He didn't suddenly morph into a troubled human.
• JT Miller. The Ryan McD trade, where we just threw in JT Miller might very well go down as one of the worst in history. Miller is now a premier center in the NHL and he was nothing more than a toss-in. You can point out the other successful trades that have been made, but they don't make up for trading a #1 D-Man and a #1 Center for arguably the two worst players in the NHL and some picks.
• Lack of protection for our star players. We've gotten completely manhandled for the last week. The Islanders knocked out our premier D-Man and we did nothing. The same player who knocked him out elbowed our star center in the face and we did nothing. Wilson nearly killed our two top wingers and in the game we did nothing. It was obvious last year we needed some level of protection for them and instead, we built a fourth line around Rooney and Howden. A thug on skates would be as effective as Brett Howden. Everyone should be upset with what transpired there this year.
• Constant wastes of money. I don't care how rich you are, lighting money on fire with buyouts of Hank, Shatty, now ADA, etc. cannot make anyone happy. Every single year we have to talk about irresponsible contracts that we're forced to buy out. It's ridiculous and I'm sick of it and I'm sure the one floating the bill is even more so.

The fact is JD absolutely failed in Columbus and wasn't fully responsible for St. Louis. He could never get his teams over the hump when he took over a full rebuild. Same goes for Gorton who appears to just have become a lackey of JD rather than a Sather mentee, which is clearly what Dolan wanted. Chris Drury is extremely bright and I have a lot of faith in him. The team has been mired in mediocrity, a lot of the moves we've made have no direct other than sideways. How can you justify signing Trouba and Panarin to massive contracts in their primes when you also want to justify taking more years to rebuild? There's no logic here. There's no direction here.

I would have been fine keeping both of them on for another year or so. But I also am absolutely fine with moving on from them and think all the "sky is falling" posts in here are a severe overreaction to two guys who aren't even on the ice and have never played a premier role in getting their teams to the promised land.

Can’t spend all day on this but some of these are easy to answer.

For Panarin etc, the idea was to not be a garbage team with high picks that never goes anywhere because they throw kids into the fire and do nothing else. Worked out pretty well imo when we saw how Kakko and Laf looked at first - not having guys to take minutes and shield them would have been beyond ugly. Even if Panarin is peaking now, he’s peaking at one of the best offensive players in the entire world and will still be very helpful and effective in the downslope.

For Hank, wasn’t the story that he didn’t want to stay here and play backup? Not sure how that’s a GMs fault. He’s been the starter and star here for a crazy long time, if he doesn’t want to be second fiddle in the same place, that’s understandable.

For “protection” of star players, there literally is no such thing. Lucic was the baddest guy around at the time and Cooke ended Savard’s entire career with him in the game. Deterrence doesn’t exist anymore and hasn’t for a long time. This lineup had 6 fights last night, obviously they could have done it the game before. If someone’s upset they didn’t, how is that the GMs problem and not the guy at ice level with them telling them how to react? The team needs more grit just to be a more effective hockey team and I think it’s pretty clear that was already going to happen in the short term. They needed to make sure the skilled kids were capable at this level before shipping off guys like Buch, Strome etc, bumping them up and building an actual bottom 6 that isn’t half a top 6 in waiting.

 

[NikC]

Totally. It's my home base.

I sit back with a nice a cocktail, maybe enjoy a dip in the pool, as all the same D-list posters make asses of themselves and give no thought as to why anyone outside the same two or three D-listers don't celebrate their obvious, oh so apparent genius.

Then I smile, have a good laugh, and think to myself, "Aww look at little Nikki trying to flex. Isn't that special. Good for it."

haha. someone needs to take an estrogen blocker...

"d-list poster"... haha good one.

 

[Edge]

For the record, Hank had no interest in remaining here as a backup.

Aside from the fact it would've been a moot point because he couldn't play, he would not have been happy getting into a single digit amount of games down the stretch.

If one of Dolan's beefs was how the Lundqvist era ended, then he's not paying attention to what was role was available and whether the player even wanted that role.

 

[RangerBoy]

At 3:13 Sather says it is easier for one guy to be the president and GM. One guy sets the message for the organization. He is responsible for everything.

The follow up question should have been "why did the Rangers hire JD two years ago if it's better to have one guy in both spots?"

OTOH, the Rangers were interested in hiring Yzerman at that time.

Why didn't the Rangers give Gorton both jobs two years ago? We had that discussion here two years ago. The Rangers hired JD from Columbus. Maybe Dolan didn't like Gorton.

The Rangers didn't want to give Gorton both jobs so they hired a president to work with him. The Rangers also considered Yzerman who would have run the entire operation.

Dolan didn't like the JD-Gorton set up. He blew them out of here and gave Drury both jobs. JD has three years remaining on his contract. Gorton has two years. Quinn has two years remaining on his contract.

The whole situation is odd.

That quote by Sather is very revealing.

 

[Edge]

haha. someone needs to take an estrogen blocker...

"d-list poster"... haha good one.

Can you help me find it Nikki? Pretty please? I don't know if I dare search for my pills without your shining light to guide me from the darkness.

 

[007]

At 3:13 Sather says it is easier for one guy to be the president and GM. One guy sets the message for the organization. He is responsible for everything.

The follow up question should have been "why did the Rangers hire JD two years ago if it's better to have one guy in both spots?"

OTOH, the Rangers were interested in hiring Yzerman at that time.

Why didn't the Rangers give Gorton both jobs two years ago? We had that discussion here two years ago. The Rangers hired JD from Columbus. Maybe Dolan didn't like Gorton.

The Rangers didn't want to give Gorton both jobs so they hired a president to work with him. The Rangers also considered Yzerman who would have run the entire operation.

Dolan didn't like the JD-Gorton set up. He blew them out of here and gave Drury both jobs. JD has three years remaining on his contract. Gorton has two years. Quinn has two years remaining on his contract.

The whole situation is odd.

That quote by Sather is very revealing.

It's a classic cover-my-ass quote. Didn't they say something about being President and GM being too much for one person when Slats kicked himself upstairs?

 

[RangerBoy]

For the record, Hank had no interest in remaining here as a backup.

Aside from the fact it would've been a moot point because he couldn't play, he would not have been happy getting into a single digit amount of games down the stretch.

If one of Dolan's beefs was how the Lundqvist era ended, then he's not paying attention to what was role was available and whether the player even wanted that role.

These people focusing on Lundqvist and Tony. SMH.

Any team acquiring Tony puts the GM in jeopardy of getting fired. His antics are not good. Too much negative energy. Montreal wanted to acquire Tony. Bergevin is desperate. He is next person to lose his job in Montreal. Marc has nothing to lose.

 

[fm]

Weird comment from Slats. Not sure I read anything into it.

Dolan's on the comedown, cranky f***. He lost it on Gorts and JD wouldn't stand for firing him.

Nothing else makes sense.

 

[NikC]

Can you help me find it Nikki? Pretty please? I don't know if I dare search for my pills without your shining light to guide me from the darkness.

lol, this is exactly how i pictured you...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'm starting to get the feeling that Sather was waaaaaaay more instrumental in what went down yesterday than originally thought.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Boomer sounds like a complete idiot in that bit.

He is saying "look at how the Rangers are completely overwhelmed in this division". Well um, yeah - they kinda should be at this stage in their development since this team is so young. It's what everyone expected... let me say that again... ITS WHAT EVERYONE EXPECTED.

Why all of a sudden after the team actually began to challenge for a spot did that expectation change? Not to mention, the Rangers would have made the playoffs had they been in ANY OTHER DIVISION IN THE NHL anyway. Which shows the path they are are on if you don't go around and f*** with it and start firing the GM and President, with no solid reasoning behind it.

All of this from Boomer, to Dolan, to Sather and to every fan that is actually coming around to agree with this moronic decision is impatience and an abandoning of the entire rebuilding plan set forth. One that everyone from top to the bottom and even the f***ing fanbase had more patience to see through to its success.

Dolan just sent a message, that no - this team isnt developing. We are wasting our time with that. More should be expected. This will turn into a complete debacle now.

 

[NYR94]

The word of the day is "whiplash"

 

[rangers1314]

I'm starting to get the feeling that Sather was waaaaaaay more instrumental in what went down yesterday than originally thought.

It was Sather who tried to kill me in my home. It was Sather all along. He acts like I'm his son, his successor, but he thinks he's gonna live forever. He wants me out.