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rangers1314 said:
I don't think Drury himself will get fleeced, he will surely get approached by every GM for their aging stars though (Malkin, Kopitar, Toews).

The issue is Dolan himself going over Drurys head and making a deal. Don't think for one second that isn't a possibility.
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Yeah, Sakic is 51, I don’t believe he has been fleeced yet.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Maybe they should hire a college coach with no experience because he'll be great with the kids.
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Quinn was Gorton's and Drury's attempt at finding the Rangers their own Bednar or Brind'Amour, rather than go for a known dino. It may not have worked out well, but I respect the attempt.
 
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Hi ImHFNYR said:
To me that's where this team underachieves. Not in the WL column but in the meaningful game column. In the period-period consistency column. The same issues we saw in year 1 under Quinn persist to this day. Issues we saw starting with AV continued to this day. Some of those issues legit culminated in what happened with Wilson. It culminated in what happened with Carolina. That;s what happens when you coach the hard to play against, physical part of hockey out of a team for 5 years and build a roster to match. Gorton needed to step in 3 or 4 years ago and didn't. Sometimes it felt like he just kept hoping 19 year olds would bail his ass out.
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Meaningful games are against better teams. Teams throughout the league, no matter how good they are, perform worse against the better teams. I posted the stats in another thread to back this point up. All the good teams are feasting on the worst and playing around .500 against the better teams, this year.
 
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chosen said:
I can't imagine giving up anything more than a 3rd round pick for Kopitar. And I'm not sure why anyone would want Toews, at all.
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i can’t figure out why a Kopitar is even being mentioned. Why is a Kopitar not good enough for a Kings rebuild but a nice fit for a Rangers rebuild?

No Kopitar.
 
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ramp5 said:
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I am one with the Drury and the Drury is the one with me.

No matter how we feel he’s our guy now. So his success is our success.
I don’t believe he will allow Dolan to run rough shot over him. He has leverage. As much as he wants the job, he doesn’t need the job.
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Thats a good point though. If there is a saving grace here its that we know Drury has had interest from other organizations, hopefully that makes him comfortable enough to call the shots and not get walked over
 
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Edge said:
Look, some of these people are good friends. We talk while having a beer. Even in the news media you hear "Dolan thinks the Rangers" unachieved compared to the phrase "The Rangers are widely seen as having underachieved."

For better or worse that's just not the perception out there. Now, if this was next season, I think those rumblings would be very loud. But it's just not there as a whole, even now.

If anything, I think there's more "Surprised" by the fact that some fans were expecting more. And those reactions aren't new to this situation. It was the same reaction before the season. "Are they really thinking this is a likely outcome?"

And we talked about that before the season even started.
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I have been one of the most ardent defenders of the team's progress this year. I believe the strides made were impressive by many of the youngers (Fox, Laf, KK, etc.). And while I, like others, deeply appreciate your insight, I feel like you're leaning so hard into the "Dolan is a psychopath" angle here and might be a bit blind to the fact that real issues exist as a result of JD & JG. I can honestly understand why an owner would be upset with them and want them gone. Just a few that I've been thinking about since the firing:

  • We've spent a lot of money on players in their prime. Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, etc. If we're not ready to compete soon, what were we thinking? Were these last two years Panarin's best? How much longer can we wait? This begs the question about what their position on re-signing 28-year-old Mika Zibanejad may have been if JDJG did not think we were ready to take the next step?

  • I have to imagine the decision to choose Georgiev over keeping Hank around to mentor Shesty did not sit well. Georgiev was terrible for most of this year and is looking like a career backup. This was obvious to many of us on here who continuously pointed out Georgiev's erratic performances. We tossed aside one of the most important players in franchise history in favor of a guy we might now move anyway.

  • The ADA situation. I believe the right call was made in getting rid of him. But how can you justify to your boss handing out the second largest contract on defense and then just months later excuse away banishing him. It's not like these issues with ADA weren't apparent prior to this. He didn't suddenly morph into a troubled human.

  • JT Miller. The Ryan McD trade, where we just threw in JT Miller might very well go down as one of the worst in history. Miller is now a premier center in the NHL and he was nothing more than a toss-in. You can point out the other successful trades that have been made, but they don't make up for trading a #1 D-Man and a #1 Center for arguably the two worst players in the NHL and some picks.

  • Lack of protection for our star players. We've gotten completely manhandled for the last week. The Islanders knocked out our premier D-Man and we did nothing. The same player who knocked him out elbowed our star center in the face and we did nothing. Wilson nearly killed our two top wingers and in the game we did nothing. It was obvious last year we needed some level of protection for them and instead, we built a fourth line around Rooney and Howden. A thug on skates would be as effective as Brett Howden. Everyone should be upset with what transpired there this year.

  • Constant wastes of money. I don't care how rich you are, lighting money on fire with buyouts of Hank, Shatty, now ADA, etc. cannot make anyone happy. Every single year we have to talk about irresponsible contracts that we're forced to buy out. It's ridiculous and I'm sick of it and I'm sure the one floating the bill is even more so.
The fact is JD absolutely failed in Columbus and wasn't fully responsible for St. Louis. He could never get his teams over the hump when he took over a full rebuild. Same goes for Gorton who appears to just have become a lackey of JD rather than a Sather mentee, which is clearly what Dolan wanted. Chris Drury is extremely bright and I have a lot of faith in him. The team has been mired in mediocrity, a lot of the moves we've made have no direct other than sideways. How can you justify signing Trouba and Panarin to massive contracts in their primes when you also want to justify taking more years to rebuild? There's no logic here. There's no direction here.

I would have been fine keeping both of them on for another year or so. But I also am absolutely fine with moving on from them and think all the "sky is falling" posts in here are a severe overreaction to two guys who aren't even on the ice and have never played a premier role in getting their teams to the promised land.
 
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Jersey Girl said:
This.

I think many of us are not so much worried whether Drury can do the job or not. We’re worried he won’t be able to do what he thinks is the right thing to do without Joffrey Dolan signing off on it.
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More worried that all the other GMs know our hand, before yesterday we had cache around the league. Dolan f***ed up all that work in 24 hours.
 
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Kakko Schmakko said:
are you implying that I am a Trump supporter?
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No, I'm saying that the only reason why you're obsessed with ADA is because you think he's being persecuted for being a Trump supporter, and you cling to that narrative like a nervous child clinging to its mother regardless of how many times people, including those with insider knowledge, point out that he was suspended for being an insufferably shitty person.

I couldn't give less of a shit if you're a Trump supporter, I stopped caring about US politics years ago.
 
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