Proposal: NYR / Columbus: Staal / Hartnell

[McSuper]

Staal is better than JJ.

Not sure about that . I would take JJ 10 times out of 10 over Staal base on contract lone

 

[stevo61]

I for one am getting really rather tired of people apparently thinking of Hartnell as "like Clarkson except he can still sorta play for now maybe". It's like comparing present-day Joe Thornton to present-day Marc Savard.

People know he can play, thats why hes in proposals. Just try to disguise it as helping us out even if its a bad player on a worse contract.

 

[vipernsx]

Not a chance.

NYR don't need Hartnell to stand in the crease on the PP and chip in pucks. They've got guys to do that already. In NY, without the PP time, Hartnell is 10 or fewer pucks in the net.

On NY as with most other teams, Staal is still a top4 blueliner.

 

[Made Dan]

I for one am getting really rather tired of people apparently thinking of Hartnell as "like Clarkson except he can still sorta play for now maybe". It's like comparing present-day Joe Thornton to present-day Marc Savard.

Yeah I don't get it. Hartnell can most definitely still play.

 

[HtG]

People know he can play, thats why hes in proposals. Just try to disguise it as helping us out even if its a bad player on a worse contract.

Which is hilarious, as if the trade will actually happened if you trick someone online.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not a chance.

NYR don't need Hartnell to stand in the crease on the PP and chip in pucks. They've got guys to do that already. In NY, without the PP time, Hartnell is 10 or fewer pucks in the net.

On NY as with most other teams, Staal is still a top4 blueliner.

The Rangers may well not need Hartnell, but your assessment of his style of play is off.

That said, I agree with you that there is no way this deal gets done.

 

[Jackets16]

Columbus seems to need a vet LHD, NYR could use a savvy, gritty vet for the 3rd line and open up D upgrade possibilities. 2 year difference in contract offset by 5 yr age difference. NY either retains 500k to even out cap hit and adds a middling prospect or includes someone like Jensen to compete for Hartnell's backfill. A swap of unfavorable contracts based on team needs.

Staal, 500k retained + say Fogarty or Hughes or 0 retained and Jensen for Hartnell.

I think JD goes for this.

We do? That is news to me. There is absolutely no reason for Columbus to do this and we don't need another defenseman.

 

[Jackets16]

I think Staal with 1.7M retained for Hartnell would be fair.

CBJ get a veteran second-pair D who will excel with someone like Murray or any mobile defender on his pair, at a 4M cap-hit.

Rangers open up a top-4 spot for Skjei on the left side so he doesn't have to play his off side, get two years shorter contract length, but have to pay 1.7M in dead space for retention because of it. Hartnell adds an element that NYR could use more of. Too many vanilla players. Hartnell is not vanilla, and can still produce and score those dirty garbage goals when there's less room for "pretty goals" in the playoffs

We don't need another defenseman.

 

[Jackets16]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was going to say. Proposals like this really drive home just how hideously, criminally underrated Hartnell is around here.

EDIT: Or, put differently: Want to send us Staal? OK, great! Enjoy Clarkson. Because that's just about the only way it's going to happen.

I'd rather have Clarkson's contract. Doesn't it end sooner?

 

[major major]

Not a chance.

NYR don't need Hartnell to stand in the crease on the PP and chip in pucks. They've got guys to do that already. In NY, without the PP time, Hartnell is 10 or fewer pucks in the net.

On NY as with most other teams, Staal is still a top4 blueliner.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to want Hartnell, he has a home now.

But damn, you should try looking at the stats before you spew. Stepan is the only guy on the Rangers with a higher 5 on 5 scoring rate, and he and Zucc are the only guys with higher powerplay scoring rates. It's safe to say the Rangers won't have a hard time finding use for Hartnell. While the Jackets will have to trade one of JJ/Werenski/Murray to find a spot for Staal.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

I love this deal to be honest. I say think bigger -- what does Columbus have to add to get Girardi?

 

[Jackets16]

I love this deal to be honest. I say think bigger -- what does Columbus have to add to get Girardi?

How in the world can you like this deal? It is horrible for Columbus. I really hope you were joking and just forgot the .

 

[Xoggz22]

How in the world can you like this deal? It is horrible for Columbus. I really hope you were joking and just forgot the .

The add Girardi part should have tipped you off...

 

[Benstheman]

I for one am getting really rather tired of people apparently thinking of Hartnell as "like Clarkson except he can still sorta play for now maybe". It's like comparing present-day Joe Thornton to present-day Marc Savard.

You guys still are preety tight against the cap and Hartnell is probably the best candidate to give you space.

JJ might be a good candidate too.

 

[Viqsi]

You guys still are preety tight against the cap and Hartnell is probably the best candidate to give you space.

JJ might be a good candidate too.

Uhhuh. And that's why you offered us Emelin. To save cap space, right?

Go away.

 

[Jackets16]

The add Girardi part should have tipped you off...

You need to add the then. I've seen enough posts by fans to actually believe someone would like this.

 

[Raspewtin]

Nobody wants Staal because he ****ing sucks and Hartnell is criminally underrated.

 

[go4hockey]

Staal is better than JJ.

Not if you take contracts into it.

 

[vipernsx]

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to want Hartnell, he has a home now.

But damn, you should try looking at the stats before you spew. Stepan is the only guy on the Rangers with a higher 5 on 5 scoring rate, and he and Zucc are the only guys with higher powerplay scoring rates. It's safe to say the Rangers won't have a hard time finding use for Hartnell. While the Jackets will have to trade one of JJ/Werenski/Murray to find a spot for Staal.

I checked stats...

Hartnell had 13 goals 5v5

Miller had 20
Brassard 19/Zibanejad 17
Zuc 19
Stepan 16
Krieder 14
Nash impacted by injuries had 11, healthy he scores more EVG then Hartnell

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&report=goals&season=20152016&gameType=2&sort=evGoals&aggregate=0&teamId=3&pos=F
I'm not sure what stats you're looking at.

Not if you take contracts into it.

I strongly disagree. Contracts or not, JJ is a huge liability on the backend and always has been. Since he's come into the league, how many seasons did JJ have with a positive +/- rating?

 

[TGWL]

I checked stats...

Hartnell had 13 goals 5v5

Miller had 20
Brassard 19/Zibanejad 17
Zuc 19
Stepan 16
Krieder 14
Nash impacted by injuries had 11, healthy he scores more EVG then Hartnell

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&report=goals&season=20152016&gameType=2&sort=evGoals&aggregate=0&teamId=3&pos=F
I'm not sure what stats you're looking at.

I strongly disagree. Contracts or not, JJ is a huge liability on the backend and always has been. Since he's come into the league, how many seasons did JJ have with a positive +/- rating?

I think he was talking about points per 60, 5 on 5. Not just goals.

 

[Crede777]

I strongly disagree. Contracts or not, JJ is a huge liability on the backend and always has been. Since he's come into the league, how many seasons did JJ have with a positive +/- rating?

Johnson is a very different player than his stats would indicate. One of the most prominent cases where advanced stats don't tell the whole picture and the eye test is much more informative.

Staal on the other hand hasn't been a useful player since his injuries. He was very good a few years ago, but now he is essentially playing out his career.

Even if we assume Johnson is only as good as his stats, that means both players are terrible. So we will keep the one with the better contract.

Only way Columbus takes Staal is if New York takes David Clarkson.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Someone needs to explain why Columbus would want to give up an asset for Staal. There's no room for him on the blue line.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Someone needs to explain why Columbus would want to give up an asset for Staal. There's no room for him on the blue line.

David Clarkson is an asset?

 

[gorangers0525]

Hartnell is still good at hockey. Staal is not. Why would Colombus do this?

 

[Jackets16]

Johnson is a very different player than his stats would indicate. One of the most prominent cases where advanced stats don't tell the whole picture and the eye test is much more informative.

Staal on the other hand hasn't been a useful player since his injuries. He was very good a few years ago, but now he is essentially playing out his career.

Even if we assume Johnson is only as good as his stats, that means both players are terrible. So we will keep the one with the better contract.

Only way Columbus takes Staal is if New York takes David Clarkson.

I keep seeing this and I don't know why. I'd rather have Clarkson.