Proposal: NYR - COL off season Blockbuster

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think you guys do. Avs aren't the same team from 2022. Can't just stick a plug in there and expect to win.

If Avs are serious about winning, they need at least a good goalie, preferably elite goalie

We'll see... If th3 Avs can ever get to full health, they come pretty damn close to the same level of depth as they had in 2022.



Drouin - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Lehkonen- Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Landeskog - Colton - O'Connor
Wood - Ivan - Kovalenko
Kiviranta/Kelly


Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Ludwig/De Haa - Malinski

Pretty much only the bottom defensive pairing would be weaker. And that's probably the area they address at the deadline this year(I'm betting money David Savard is an Avs player by March 1st).

But obviously right now they don't look nearly as good missing 4 guys out of the Top 9 forwards and a Top pairing Dman today.

 

[Cypher]

Let's just get something straight here: if there was a bizarro world where this trade would happen, Shesterkin would be more expensive to re-sign than Rantanen for the Avs. Shesterkin has already turned down an 88 million dollar offer from the Rangers. Guess how much that would be on a 7 year deal with the Avs? 12.5, and that's just what Igor turned down. Whereas with Rantanen the current state of negotiations is that apparently the Avs are not offering Rantanen anywhere near that type of cash right now. Probably offering him something in the 11s at max.

But it's not going to happen. Rangers team construction needs Igor. And making this trade after the deadline only means you have an early start with negotiations, nothing more. Neither team can offer the 8th year if they don't have the player on their roster by trade deadline.

There's no way Shesterkin is getting more than Mikko, let's be real. Goalies don't hold that kind of value, especially when compared to someone who's consistently among the league top point getters (7th cumulative since 2017, only McD, Leon, Mack, Kuch, Panara, and Pasta have more).

 

[benfranklin]

There's no way Shesterkin is getting more than Mikko, let's be real. Goalies don't hold that kind of value, especially when compared to someone who's consistently among the league top point getters (7th cumulative since 2017, only McD, Leon, Mack, Kuch, Panara, and Pasta have more).

Maybe. I could see Toronto in a nutshell giving up Marner for Shesterkin thinking that is their answer.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I think you guys do. Avs aren't the same team from 2022. Can't just stick a plug in there and expect to win.

If Avs are serious about winning, they need at least a good goalie, preferably elite goalie

Can't get rid of Rantanen and expect to win either. Who exactly would they replace him with, and how much is that going to cost?

 

[JKG33]

Except the Rangers have won more series in just season than the Leafs have in the last 20 years. Much less in the last three seasons.

Doesn't make my point untrue

 

[Muffin]

Is Landeskog ever gonna play? Can Nichushkin stay out of trouble? To me, those are both major questions, and the “we’re waiting for our complimentary pieces to return to put a little less pressure on our stars” mantra might start to be needing questioning, even if the theory has merit as long as it occurs. If those players are consistently unavailable, it starts eating in the contention window for MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, and a true retool might be needed.

They literally played the last few games without Landeskog, Nichushkin, Drouin, Lehkonen and Toews. Even getting Drouin, Lehkonen and Toews back would be plenty to make the playoffs easily.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

They literally played the last few games without Landeskog, Nichushkin, Drouin, Lehkonen and Toews. Even getting Drouin, Lehkonen and Toews back would be plenty to make the playoffs easily.

Don’t disagree, but the point is they might need an elite goaltender being in this malaise where they have a lot of guys out. A few guys moves the needle a little, but there’s a big difference between making the playoffs and being a contender to win. They probably need literally all the injured guys back to win the Cup with the current team that has bad goaltending.

 

[bernmeister]

Where is Bern in this, that's what I want to know.

thank you for asking....
btw, I believe I did have a post early on saying currency is not a match
not a bad effort by OP as to value, certainly no insult but not a match
also, if Rs deal Shesty his max value is sooner than later
UNLESS fall back position, they give him like 13 to assuage his ego, BUT no nmc and min ntc

Bern will send you Shesterkin for Mikko, while also including a very sexy Mika DJ, for whatever top ELC/cheap prospect you can give us. And by whatever I mean your absolute best.

bern believes best offer is something like
Byfield + Anderson + Talbot
for
Shesty + Lindgren + ]moderate add]

can go bigger/smaller but core is Shesty for Byfield
there was an article not immediately available to me published by Yardbarker to effect that Kings will go super heavy after Igor if he is ufa and would bid now

Maybe. I could see Toronto in a nutshell giving up Marner for Shesterkin thinking that is their answer.

NY has no interest in Marner, would only consider if somehow, inexplicably, third team w/something Rs want is involved

After shipping Shesty [say that 5 times funkily fast] to a WC team, next best is out of division, tho highest concern is the return

Leafs have Matthews and possible zib [we want to move b'c he is inconsistent w/Kreider] sees Shesty going and is told bread is not sniffing 11/6+ from us and is likelly accepting a move next yr to avoid ugly scene. He gets paying w/Matthews is not too shabby.

Hopefully Rs listen to bern and recognize smart move is NOT all in single season, but deals THAT EXTEND THE WINDOW, even if 3 back now for 4 ahead later.
Zib gets moving of vets to make space for youth and not let cap dictate roster means maybe he should consider TOR

So,,
Shesty + Zib + Lindgren + Jones [some retention]
for
Nylander + Knies + Liljigen [later TOR 1st to pay for retention]
something like dat

 

[the_fan]

You’re correct.

If they continue to not have Nichushkin, Landeskog, Toews, Drouin and Lehkonen, they are not a playoff team.

I wouldn’t expect it either. Their current team is, I think, below the cap floor.

We’ll revisit the “generous in stating this is barely a playoff team”

If we don’t have all those players, what is Shesterkin gonna do? Even if we sneak into the playoffs we’re not getting passed the 1st round without all those players. Shesterkin is great but he’s not a magician

 

[EdAVSfan]

If we don’t have all those players, what is Shesterkin gonna do? Even if we sneak into the playoffs we’re not getting passed the 1st round without all those players. Shesterkin is great but he’s not a magician

Agreed.

The avs need a healthy team and a better goalie. They don’t need THE goalie.

 

[the_fan]

Agreed.

The avs need a healthy team and a better goalie. They don’t need THE goalie.

Yup, Rantanen for Shesterkin makes zero sense for the Avs. Actually it makes no sense for both teams.

 

[HuGort]

This is purely hypothetical and mostly for fun but…


To Colorado
Igor Shesterkin


To New York
Mikko Rantanen

Both are around same age and upcoming UFAs. If somehow their clubs can’t agree with them on the new contracts terms, the Avs solve their goalie problem once and for all while Nichushkin and Landeskog return will make Rantanen departure less painful and the Rangers solidify their top 6 with a proven play off warrior.

Who's in net for Rangers?

 

[spaghtti]

No point in NYR trading Shesterkin to get a UFA back.
1. No guarantee we can sign him.
2. He's going to get paid just like Shesterkin and we won't have money for any decent goalie.

Doesn't really work.

Your first point is equally true for any team trading for Shesterkin.

Also the title says offseason, so neither player has any commitments to any team at that point

 

[spaghtti]

On the contrary; Shesterkin wants the bag because he (and his agent) see him as the MVP for the Rangers, thus he wants more money than Panarin.

Now, maybe he would not be that in the Avalanche with Makar and MacKinnon, but I doubt it would change his UFA ask.

I highly doubt that any NHL players is too concerned about the cost of living anywhere. Shesterkin " How do you expect me to live off of 10 milion dollars a year in NY "

 

[frontsfan67]

This is purely hypothetical and mostly for fun but…


To Colorado
Igor Shesterkin


To New York
Mikko Rantanen

Both are around same age and upcoming UFAs. If somehow their clubs can’t agree with them on the new contracts terms, the Avs solve their goalie problem once and for all while Nichushkin and Landeskog return will make Rantanen departure less painful and the Rangers solidify their top 6 with a proven play off warrior.

Then New York has goaltending problems lol. Don’t see this happening

 

[bernmeister]

Who's in net for Rangers?

Garand + Quick + Domingue

 

[HuGort]

Garand + Quick + Domingue

That's quite a step down.

 

[bernmeister]

That's quite a step down.

obv
although all 3 have looked good for us

that said, you are subtracting an elite Vez quality G, possibly/arguably the league's best

but other hand, you have to measure what is coming back
and again, main question is short term move aside (deal now/sign, deal later)
what is done repurposing this and other assets to max Rs window

this is why Shesty has to bring back high quality youth as far as I'm concerned

 

[HuGort]

obv
although all 3 have looked good for us

that said, you are subtracting an elite Vez quality G, possibly/arguably the league's best

but other hand, you have to measure what is coming back
and again, main question is short term move aside (deal now/sign, deal later)
what is done repurposing this and other assets to max Rs window

this is why Shesty has to bring back high quality youth as far as I'm concerned

If you want a cup stay with your goalie

 

[Barnaby]

I think Rantanen holds a bit more value as a skater, but I don’t think this trade makes the Rangers better. In fact, they’d just be adding more salary to the wing which probably isn’t a great idea as much as I like Miko. Anything making the trade bigger would just make things unrealistic. Interesting thought by the Op though.

 

[bernmeister]

If you want a cup stay with your goalie

keeping shesty gonna cost, which I don't care except for the cap hit
It is better odds today for ramifications tomorrow

stupid return, well duh
but a smart return = better odds at mo than 1 cup

 

[TGWL]

Also the title says offseason, so neither player has any commitments to any team at that point

They still belong to the team as clearly this is before free agency or there wouldn't be a thread. Rangers can't trade Shesterkin for another UFA. And yea, your correct, the same should be said for Colorado.

 

[benfranklin]

thank you for asking....
btw, I believe I did have a post early on saying currency is not a match
not a bad effort by OP as to value, certainly no insult but not a match
also, if Rs deal Shesty his max value is sooner than later
UNLESS fall back position, they give him like 13 to assuage his ego, BUT no nmc and min ntc


bern believes best offer is something like
Byfield + Anderson + Talbot
for
Shesty + Lindgren + ]moderate add]

can go bigger/smaller but core is Shesty for Byfield
there was an article not immediately available to me published by Yardbarker to effect that Kings will go super heavy after Igor if he is ufa and would bid now



NY has no interest in Marner, would only consider if somehow, inexplicably, third team w/something Rs want is involved

After shipping Shesty [say that 5 times funkily fast] to a WC team, next best is out of division, tho highest concern is the return

Leafs have Matthews and possible zib [we want to move b'c he is inconsistent w/Kreider] sees Shesty going and is told bread is not sniffing 11/6+ from us and is likelly accepting a move next yr to avoid ugly scene. He gets paying w/Matthews is not too shabby.

Hopefully Rs listen to bern and recognize smart move is NOT all in single season, but deals THAT EXTEND THE WINDOW, even if 3 back now for 4 ahead later.
Zib gets moving of vets to make space for youth and not let cap dictate roster means maybe he should consider TOR

So,,
Shesty + Zib + Lindgren + Jones [some retention]
for
Nylander + Knies + Liljigen [later TOR 1st to pay for retention]
something like dat

I meant UFA for Toronto. Both teams letting their guys walk and Toronto giving Igor his ask $11-12M

 

[The Merchant]

As an Avs fan I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[EXTRAS]

I agree in general about 2022, but assuming (big assumption) health and sober, the team is very similar.

Mittlestadt = Kadri and Drouin = Burakovsky is the hope obviously and I agree both arent there yet, but the hope Mittlestadt gets some talent to work with in Landeskog and Nichushkin soon and production skyrockets. MacKinnon and Rantanen have shown to make a traffic cone score goals so Drouin will be fine there.

I loved Byram so yes that is the main weakness in being able to roll 3 really good D lines plus Jack Johnson.

The rest is pretty similar outside of the obvious goaltending woes right now.

Drouin - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Mittlestadt - Nichushkin
Wood - Colton - Kovalenko
Kiviranta - Ivan - O'Connor

Lehkonen being mister jump in for whoever is hurt

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
De Haan - Malinski

Crap

Kuemper/Francouz underrated. Colorado is short a goalie this year.